Apple sued for slowing down older iPhones

Los Angeles residents Stefan Bogdanovich and Dakota Speas, represented by Wilshire Law Firm, this morning filed a lawsuit with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California accusing Apple of slowing down their older iPhone models when new models come out.

This lawsuit is complete bullshit. It shows the lawyers and people who brought the suit don’t understand what Apple is doing (not that they really care about that). They are not slowing down phones when new models come out, they are trying to optimize the battery and performance, as explained yesterday.

  • Mo

    Too bad they’re not suing in East Texas.

  • John Kordyback

    The US has lawyers? Who knew?

  • Who wants to bet these guys have an iPhone 5 and so not effected by Apple’s decision to slow down other models? Judge will have to dismiss the case despite Apple being in the wrong.

    Pity Apple didn’t think of this when they decided to make these models thinner. Sue Jony Ives for putting design above function on every decision.

    • What are you smoking? The only thing Apple did wrong was not being more transparent about making old phones last longer, and a bit slower, rather than let them die faster and be replaced faster. The reality is the opposite of what Apple is accused of, and actually extends the lives of these phones. Slower is better than dead. How hard is this concept for those honest enough to admit it?

    • As someone who has a 5S and thus has to deal with the consequences of Apple NOT slowing down the phone when the battery is broken, anyone with a 6 or later should be grateful. Nothing sucks worse than the phone just dying with charge left.

  • I don’t think the idea is complete bullshit. I understand why Apple is slowing phones down, but if they’re doing it they need to tell the user. If my phone is running slow because the battery needs to be replaced I want to know that so that I can replace the battery. But I don’t want to spend the money unless I know that the slowness is because of the battery and not just because my iPhone 6 isn’t beefy enough for iOS 11.

    • per apple the slowdown only takes place for singular peak power draws, which would otherwise result in shut-down. it’s not a steady, constant slow-down, a common misunderstanding.

      which is why the suit is bullshit.

      • Janak Parekh

        The main problem with slowing down peak-power draws is it’s really noticeable when, say, launching apps. My 6+ was perfectly usable on iOS 11 except for launching apps, where it was intolerably slow.

        I was planning on upgrading, so no harm there, but it’d have been nice if the OS told me it was time to replace the battery.

        • No question, but I don’t think that missing UI is grounds for a lawsuit.

          • Janak Parekh

            Hrm? This is the US. Everything is grounds for a lawsuit. 🙂

            There’s enough subtlety in here that I wouldn’t be surprised if some judge approves class action. Heck, I bet some of those judges have slow old iPhones.

        • you have no way of attributing that directly to the feature or not. as John Gruber said, if your Camera app is taking 5 seconds to load you have other problems, and that isn’t this.

          • Janak Parekh

            You’re right, I don’t have proof. In fact, I have anti-proof: I reset my 6+ since I’m no longer using it, and now the camera app launches quickly. So it’s very likely my camera troubles had nothing to do with this CPU throttling. Thanks for calling me on it.

            But pointing to John Gruber (someone who I listen and read to constantly) is not proof, either. And, absent proof, people are going to think this is a compelling argument.

            There is a widespread issue with iOS 11 triggering performance regressions, and many people don’t have the time to debug it by resetting and restoring. It takes me many hours to set up an iOS device, even from an iCloud backup now—I’m basically burning half a day. That’s really expensive for me to do.

  • Jason

    This is not a bullshit lawsuit. Apple got caught. They need to own up. I completely understand why Apple does this and it makes sense to me. . The people who read The Loop understand why Apple does this. But, to millions of users, they don’t get it. Jim, you get a new phone every year. I get a new phone every year. We don’t have to worry about this. But there are a lot of people who can’t buy a new phone every year. What is really lame about the issue is iPhone 7 is now included in this slowdown. Pretty lame really that the phone that was “so powerful” is now being throttled because it doesn’t have the battery capacity it had after only a year.

    • “caught” is loaded language. they got “caught” prolonging the useful lifespan of devices with old expired batteries unequipped to running the power draw required for iOS 11.

      • Jason

        No, I do get it. Apple explicitly stated that the iPhone 7 was being included in the 11.2, “…We’ve now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future.”. Apple did get caught as they should have made it clear that this would happen to batteries with lower capacity. Sure Phone 7 may not be throttled right now but because of what I do for a living I’ve first hand seen 7’s that have slowed down as a result of iOS 11. Apple has not been clear at all as to what percentage of original capacity the battery needs to be before it’s throttled. Is it 80%? 85%? Apple does not state that and actually never has even with portable Mac batteries. Put simply, there needs to be more transparency. So actually, I do understand what I’m talking about.

        • Apple states on the support site within battery pages that they will replace the battery when it is at 80% or less capacity (free with AppleCare and $79 out of warranty).

          So, you actually misunderstand what you are talking about. You aren’t completely wrong, but definitely aren’t completely right, and your anger is ratcheted up for little reason.

        • older hardware slowing down on newer versions of the OS is NORMAL. that is HOW COMPUTING WORKS — your old hardware is being asked to do more things.

          that isn’t this. again, you simply dont understand the issue being discussed.

          all iPhones 7 aren’t being throttled. iPhone 7 was added to the list where, if a battery is expired, depleted, and unable to do its job of supplying required power draw, it will lessen the draw.

          you very likely have never seen an iPhone 7 doing this.

  • rick gregory

    F these people and everyone else whinging about this. Remove the feature, let the phone die when its battery runs out. “But Why didn’t you DOOO SOMETHING!?!??”

    Batteries decline, people. Not just iPhone ones, ALL Li-ION batteries do this. Quit being such offing cheapskates and replace your damn batteries. $79 every two years is trivial.

    • lkalliance

      The temptation (not just in this realm, but others too) is to compress all people of a certain defined group into one representative person representing all of them, and so it’s easy to consider that a given individual would have multiple contradictory opinions.

      I’m of mixed mind on this. As described, the lawsuit sounds petty. I’m comfortable with the idea that Apple did not implement this code in an attempt at forced obsolescence. It’s done to combat a real thing, and it in fact increases our phones’ capable lifespans! BUT there is a messaging issue. I understand the tradeoff, but until this issue got this attention I didn’t know that there WAS a tradeoff, and that’s the problem.

      I don’t know if this suit is about that or if there CAN be a suit about that, but I do feel underserved by Apple because of it. Not “misled,” but “underserved.” We just replaced my girlfriend’s 5c, just because it had slowed down a lot. The 5c isn’t on the list of affected devices, but had it been a couple years down the line and it was happening to her (currently new) SE, then I definitely would be upset if a $80 battery replacement would have been sufficient to reinvigorate it and I were not made aware of it.

      It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that I’m not used to having with Apple.

      • rick gregory

        Sure, I get that. But at this point everyone should understand that batteries wear down and it should be a consideration. Now… Apple absolutely should communicate the fact that your battery is worn much more clearly.

        On the 5C…. older devices generally don’t do new OS updates well after a time. I give it about 3 or 4 major updates per device. My rule is this – if the device is the oldest generation supported by a new release, it’s probably goin to be slow on that release and it’s better to just leave it wherever it is. I have an iPad mini 2 and tried a beta of 11 on it (it’s happily running 10). The beta was slow and eating battery. Release version might be better, but that device on iOS 10 is fine. So I left it.

        Users have some responsibility here too. It’s past time to let go of the idea that people should be able to be utterly naive, uninformed and the like about their tech. But if I were Apple, I’d strongly consider removing this feature, add a notification about battery wear and not support quite so far back on iOS updates.

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    • Janak Parekh

      … except that Apple doesn’t tell you when it’s time to replace the battery (i.e., it only tells you when it’s nearly dead, well after throttling begins).

      • rick gregory

        Yes. They should, absolutely. Is it a failure of communication around that? Yes. Is it s nefarious plot to sell more iPhones? Hell no.

        • Janak Parekh

          Exactly. This is a (much) bigger version of them removing the battery time estimator from macOS.

          Mostly, I lament their tone-deafness around this. They’re so sure they’re focused on the product and the consumer (and, by-and-large, they are), that they don’t realize others are looking for an excuse to jump on them, and now they have their cause. Worse, I could see this as being just nuanced enough that a judge may not side with Apple (even though, for example, Apple never comments on actual specs and performance for their iPhones, it’s always relative).

          • They do have a channel for communicating, though.

            User at Genius Bar: “Hey, my iPhone is slow!” Genius Bar: “Okay, let me run some diagnostics on it.”

            I went through all this shortly before all this broke, only instead of “is slow” I got to use “turns off all the time.”

            It’s definitely not perfect, but it isn’t like it doesn’t exist either.

          • Janak Parekh

            Hrm. My threshold (as a power user) is pretty high to make an appointment and drag myself to a Genius Bar. Basically, if the phone is outright broken.

            I hope Apple can aspire to more than “something exists.” 🙂

          • So just call Apple Support. I’ve called them with questions and not been charged despite being out of warranty. If you go to an Apple store or call Apple Support (they will give you a web address to go to so they can see your phone stats) they will tell you if they suggest replacing the battery. They suggest doing so when the battery is at 80% efficiency. It’s right on their support pages.

            It’s like people just want to whine and cry instead of actually doing what they need to and get help and information.

    • Yup, I had a device with a bad battery that couldn’t throttle.

      Give them a week of that.

  • ahajra

    Quit being such an Apple fanboy Jim! This is a huge problem for Apple: they admit their expensive phones don’t even hold up for a year or two! Just as critics claimed (the same critics you said were just making it up) If this is as innocent as you claim, then why didn’t Apple announce they were doing it? And why didn’t the tech press discover it for themselves?! Maybe you should try using an older iPhone for a while and see how it performs. Not everyone can buy a brand new phone every year.

    • nope, you just failed to comprehend what apple said. they are not slowing all phones after a year. they added the 7 to the list of devices which, if the battery is one day worn out, will be capable of momentary throttling itself to prevent shut-down.

      you failed.

    • Consider all the facts.

      Yes, we all want bigger batteries in our phones. Well, I did until I got my iPhone X. None of the phones are slowed down except in high power draw situations that would cause them to crash.

      How evil of Apple to try fixing a problem. They should pop up a dialog saying what’s happening, sure. But it is not throttling a phone permanently. Just on the few occasions where power draw significantly above normal.

      • Honestly, it’s not like bigger batteries would help that much. Charge cycles would be consumed slower, but in the end you’d be left with an untrustworthy battery… that was physically larger. And probably more dangerous because of that.

        Apple putting smaller batteries in starts to make sense when you realize the only thing you can trust a battery to do is go bad eventually.

    • rick gregory

      It’s not ‘A year or two’ and all batteries will start to wear out. ALL of them. Will we see the issue at 2 years? Maybe. Depends on how much you use your phone.

      But the idea that you need a new phone after a year is uninformed, alarmist bull. If your battery is in fact worn out you don’t need a new phone. You might need a new battery. You’d have known this if you were paying attention vs trolling.

    • Batteries die.

      When someone comes up with a better and safer battery tech, you can be sure Apple will use it.

  • I don’t think it’s bullshit at all. I have an iPhone 6 that has suffered considerable slow-down because of iOS 11. I’ve stated here before all of this news started percolating that my iPhone takes a solid 5 seconds to load the camera app — an issue that never existed prior to updating.

    My year-and-a-half old iPhone 6 shouldn’t be seeing severe battery degradation this quickly, let alone the nonsensical performance throttling. I had an iPhone 5 for nearly three years of regular use and its battery performed better that my iPhone 6. Its insane.

    Now you’re telling me, just months after the warranty has expired, that the battery needs replacing? THAT is bullshit.

    • if your camera takes 5 seconds to load, you have something else very very wrong. thats not this.

      • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

        I think we are going to see a lot of this now. Problems that are unrelated to the batter will now be battery problems.

        • Give a child a hammer, and everything becomes a nail.

      • Janak Parekh

        Nope, this is pretty standard. My 6+ on iOS 11.2 takes about 3-5 seconds to open most apps, including the camera.

        • I call B.S. My 6s with a battery that has 80% capacity left just opened the camera app in 1.5 seconds. Probably less. I counted out loud and didn’t make it to 2, but I’m not an atomic clock.

          Facebook opened in 2 and loaded articles and was usable by 3 to 3.5. And Facebook is a hog.

          So, no, there is something else wrong with phone, at least according to my anecdotal evidence. 😉

          (And, yes, I quit the apps completely before starting them.)

          • Janak Parekh

            The 6S is a lot faster than the 6/6+. This is not a surprise and your anecdote doesn’t dispute mine at all.

            I suspect that wiping and reinstalling from scratch might have sped it up a bit, but given I was getting an X, I decided not to try.

            iOS 10 was significantly faster.

          • So, basically you and others are complaining that a phone that was released in September 2014 (no matter when you bought it, it is a 2014 design) is slowed by an iOS that was released 3 years later in 2017. And you are all claiming this is on purpose instead of just an artifact of things progressing as fast as they do in the tech world? And you’re going to discount my results because I have a “significantly faster” phone despite that it is only 1 year younger than yours and still is two processors behind the latest iPhones that iOS 11 is optimized for? You can discount all our results for being anecdotal (“dozens” doesn’t even count in the numbers we have), but certainly not for reasons you’ve given.

            Yep, I still call b.s.

          • Janak Parekh

            In fact, no, that’s not what I’m complaining about. I was making a few broad points:

            1. Lots of users, especially iPhone 6 and older, are suffering after the iOS 11 upgrade. It’s very possible that a wipe, or a restore, would address this, but there is a bad experience here Apple is not prioritizing fixing. I wish they would (but recognize the business realities of having to focus on the newest first).

            2. Apple is not doing itself any favors with unclear communication and poor battery guidance in the OS around this. I’ve been using iPhones since the first one, and when I read this, my first thought was, “oh, maybe CPU throttling affected my iPhone.” I was in fact wrong. But if I, a longtime Apple user, fall into this mindset trap, what about the public?

            It’s not a big deal for me—I’m an X user now and my 6+ is being used for miscellaneous tasks (newly wiped, and significantly faster, in fact).

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            The X opens in a fraction of a second, instantaneous. Just get that! 😆 It is nice. But I also upgraded form a 5S. So it was time. If I had a 6S, I would have stayed pat for a while.

      • Funny thing: It wasn’t a problem before iOS 11, so I sincerely doubt it. From what I’ve seen here, and responses on Twitter, I’m not alone.

    • PS – congrats, Daring Fireball’s John Gruber called out your 5-second-camera problem as unrelated nonsense:

      • Janak Parekh

        He’s wrong. I really, really wish he was right, but he’s wrong. 🙁

        • hes not wrong. not every problem under the sun can be attributed to this peak load throttling. a 5-second delay in opening Camera is a different problem. it’s not what this program is doing.

          i know this hurts you.

          • Janak Parekh

            I’m a new iPhone X owner, so no, it doesn’t hurt me at all.

            (As mentioned in another subthread, you’re correct in calling me out on the camera issue being unrelated to peak load throttling. Which I didn’t have a chance to debug until I got the X, transferred everything, and wiped the 6+.)

      • I’m not alone. There are dozens of us. DOZENS!

    • rick gregory

      You do not have a “year-and-a-half old iPhone 6”. You either have a 6S or you have a TWO and a half year old 6. The 6 was released 3 years ago.

      • It’s a 6, not a 6s, and I bought it brand-new from Apple a year and a half ago (sealed, in-box, NOT refurbished), so I don’t know what you’re yammering about.

        • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

          They are “yammering” because you said you had an iPhone 6. You don’t, you have a 6S. “I have an iPhone 6 that has suffered considerable slow-down because of iOS 11” You made a mistake and then insult the very people who I pointed it out. Nice.

          • Jesus Christ on a cracker, some of you folks are dense.

            I said I had an iPhone 6 because — shockingly — I have AN IPHONE 6. IT’S NOT AN IPHONE 6S. DO YOU GET IT NOW?!

            I didn’t insult anybody, but now I will: this is the most retarded argument I’ve ever gotten in. Fucking hell.

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            You sir, are an ass.

          • Go fuck yourself. Honestly. You’re actually trying to tell me what model of iPhone I have despite my consistent, and repeated attempts.

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            I think I am done with you. Too rude, sorry we couldn’t continue with a more amicable discussion.

          • MG3H2CL/A look it up asshole

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            I did and it is possible that you bought it new. You are still being an ass though.

          • a shame the mods aren’t here it to tell you to piss off for being such an ugly fuckstick.

          • I don’t suffer fools—especially when they make presumptions despite my repeated attempts to set the record straight. I’ve never thought in a million years I’d have a fanboi mansplain me about which device I own.

        • rick gregory

          Fine but you bought a phone what, while out might have been new in box was 18 months into its lifecycle.

          That said, check this out, it might helop

          • Janak Parekh

            Yeah, I do suspect that reinstallation (or maybe even a backup+restore) has a performance benefit, and that multiple issues are being conflated by users (very possibly including myself).

            That said, the average consumer doesn’t know anything about this, and even a pro consumer may not have time to do it. Even with a backup+restore, you might still have to re-enter passwords, re-pair the watch, etc. When I transferred from the 6+ to the X, I spent hours customizing/logging in/pairing with Watch/etc.

            I really hope Apple can improve all aspects here: surface if the OS is throttling for performance, encourage battery replacement, and/or improve the upgrade experience so that people don’t have to worry about this.

          • rick gregory

            I agree fully. At the same time, when someone goes online to a comment thread, I’d hope that they take the time to try solutions. Venting is fine too, but my personality is really solution focused, so I kind of lose patience with that. I mean, if something is REALLY bothering you, take the time to try to fix it. If you won’t… how badly is it really bothering you?

          • Janak Parekh

            Well, comment forums have complaint biases. Users who e.g. go to a Genius Bar and get their problems resolved are not going to post here (or on other fora).

      • Janak Parekh

        iPhone 6 was discontinued in September of 2016.

        • rick gregory

          OK fine, but if they bought a 6 late in its life… I mean, in Sept of 16 you could get a 7. Not a 2 year old model. Anyone who did the latter doesn’t really have my sympathy.

          • Janak Parekh

            I’d look at it both ways. The 7 was basically an iterative product on the 6 formfactor. Same screen size and resolution, same physical device size, both have touch ID and Apple Pay. Sure, the 7 was much faster, brighter screen, better camera, but if you’re on a budget, the 6 at $200 cheaper is nothing to sniff at. (Or, seemed at the time, at least.)

          • Exactly. My needs as a smartphone user are very little and the only reason why I got the 6 was the larger screen. I just couldn’t justify the 7 beyond that. My previous phone was the iPhone 5, which lasted me nearly three years without issue; it was a great little device.

          • rick gregory

            If you buy it outright, sure. But monthly payments at a carrier reduce the difference to a trivial one (about $5/month). Plus you’re getting a two year old device. The 6 to 7 upgrade was pretty big. 6S to 7? Not so much.

          • Janak Parekh

            I’d hesitate to guess people’s motivations. It may matter to some, or there may be ignorance, or there’s a goodwill assumption here (“Apple’s still selling it, so it must still be good.”)

  • Meaux

    Apple is designing a $1,000 piece of high end electronics with batteries that will require this sort of slow down after a year and a half.

    • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

      I imagine after a year, whatever percentage battery reduction a user may have may require some adjustment to the performance, maybe not. It’s not one easy answer.

      Who says? Where are you getting this from?

    • The Cappy

      Battery degradation is just physics though. Nobody designed that degradation into them.

      • Meaux

        Not true. See the link below. Different types of batteries have different cycle lives. Apple specifically chose 500 cycle life batteries.

        • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

          Maybe 500 is the most efficient?

          You seem to be going right into “Apple is screwing us here on purpose” territory.

          • yeah these guys are full of nonsense. their paranoid crackpot conspiracy theories are at odds with the very real fact that iPhones have the longest useful lifespan in the biz, and the highest resale value. oops.

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            I know, plus as said elsewhere here, if I have to replace the battery every two or so years, it’s $80. I can live with that. If I can’t, I can live with the occasional slow down. It’s better than a full shutdown and that’s the whole point. Apple is always damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

          • Meaux

            That doesn’t make sense. Why would less efficient batteries be put in the Apple Watch, where space and efficiency are even more critical?

            What I suspect is that it’s a combination of a couple of things. When carriers subsidized phones, it didn’t make sense to have higher rated batteries because basically everyone replaced their phones after 2 years. This is no longer the case. It used to be far less common to see devices that were more than 1 generation behind. Now that everyone has to pay for their phones every time, purchase patterns have changed and it is more noticeable. The other factor is that none of the decision-makers at Apple ever experience using older devices, so the problem is invisible to them.

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            Why are you talking about the Apple Watch now? Plus, you are totally avoiding what I said, maybe 500 cycle batteries are more efficient. Maybe they charge faster ,maybe maybe, maybe. I don’t know, but you don’t seem to either, you are just presenting ‘what if’s” and theories. What you “suspect”. What I do know is that Apple iPhones are among the longest lasting batteries in a smartphone out there. So, I am fine with this.

          • Meaux

            Because the Apple Watch, like the iPad and MacBooks have a 1,000 battery cycle. The iPhone is the only major product that does not. So it is clearly a conscious design decision rather than a company standard. And I chose the watch rather than the iPad or Macbook because it is the other product in their line that has significant size constraints.

            Why are you criticizing my “what-ifs” with a bunch of unsupported theories. An iPad Pro takes 4-5 hours to charge 80% with a 12W adapter, while an iPhone X takes ~2 hours with the same. Based on differential battery capacities, it looks like charge rate is about equal.

    • nope. what they said was, when the devices have expired batteries, they can momentary self-throttle to prevent failure. they did not say ZOMG ALL IPHONES WILL BE THROTTLED REGARDLESS OF BATTERY HEALTH!!!

      seriously, do you people even read?

      • Meaux

        Do you read? The batteries are rated for 500 cycles before they will necessitate being throttled. That is a year and a half. That is Apple’s own product specs. Perhaps you should read.

        • Batteries don’t work like that. That’s the bottom limit. Us photographers have dealt with battery cycle times, as do laptop owners, and 500 is a pretty good number though not great. But that is deep discharges. If you don’t run the phone empty every day then it will last a longer time. LiThium Ion batteries last 2-3years regardless of use.

          • Meaux

            Macbooks are rated for 1000 battery cycles.

          • is your iPhone a MacBook? oh yeah, no. completely different fucking device with different designs, compromises, and specs.


        • again, youre moving goalposts or are just dense. this statement doesnt say theyre going to slow down all phones all the time. it happens when the battery is worn out.

          have you every owned an automobile? you know what happens in the winter after a couple years? you cant start your car anymore. why? because the battery wore out.

          “ARRRHGHHHH!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!” – you?

          • Meaux

            A couple of years? What do you do with your car battery? I’ve had mine for 5 and it’s still fine. And I get a check battery light when the battery has issues and I can replace it. My car doesn’t stop accelerating at highway speeds because the battery is old. Also, the Apple Wacth has a 1000 charge rated battery. The limitations and compromises are even more pronounced than they are on the phone. I hope Apple pays you good money to be a PR shill because otherwise you’re just a moron.

    • Wrong. Try again. This is not a blanket slowdown after.a year. It’s not even a slowdown across the board ever. It slows down on the few occasions the phone would crash under unusually heavy power loads.

    • imagine your outrage at $30,000 automobiles — THAT STILL REQUIRE NEW BATTERIES WHEN THEY WEAR OUT IN WINTER!


      • Meaux

        Your analogy sucks because I get a check battery light when the battery needs to be replaced. I’d be livid if my car’s acceleration was mysteriously cut in half when passing on the highway with no other indication that something was wrong. I would logically reason the problem was with the engine and not the battery.

        • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

          Still, I’d rather have my car slow down and then when the power wasn’t being drained at such a high capacity, to return to normal operations when possible, instead of just shutting off. If there is one thing we can agree on, and one that I think would help Apple quite a bit here, would be to do as you and others have suggested, to add a warning that the battery is below a certain threshold and replacement is suggested.

          • Meaux

            But your car doesn’t shut off when the battery is dying it just doesn’t turn over. It basically has three states: car starts fine, car struggles to turn over, or car doesn’t start. If you’re in state 2, check out your battery. If you’re in state 3, get a jump start and change your battery.

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            Your thinking of terms of an actual car, like a fossil fuel car. I’m thinking more inline with an electric car something closer to what an iPhone would be like. More states, more variables.

          • Meaux

            Tesla tells you when your battery needs service. They don’t just ruin your driving experience blindly. And if they did, their customers would 100% be justified in being livid with their car company.

            Also, I would note that Apple has been making phones for a decade, the shutdown issue with worn batteries is a new issue. Also, the complains of slowdowns have skyrocketed since iOS 11, even though the shutdown fix was in 10.2. So clearly there’s something going on in either the software or hardware recently on this. Prior to replacing my 6, it was fine running 10.whatever the last one was and went to pot when I upgraded to 11. I’ve avoided upgrading my work phone to 11 for just that reason.

          • James Hughes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ”

            “Tesla tells you when your battery needs service”

            Right, I already said I agree with this point. No need to re-itterate.

            The shut down issue is not new. It happened to me when I had an older iPhone 5 and with an iPhone 5S. Both were running iOS 10 and earlier only. Google, you’ll find plenty of results.

  • It will only be fair when the judge slam-dunks this case that they pay Apple’s attorney fees. That is, unless the judge is Lucy Koh. Then they probably will have to fight a death penalty judgement against Tim Cook. 🙄

  • bdkennedy11

    I would rather have my phone shut off and get a new battery than deal with the sluggish performance. What’s the difference? You have to get a new battery anyway.

    • GlennC777

      There’s always going to be a point where the battery isn’t perfect, but not yet ready to be replaced (for which each user will naturally have a different threshold).

    • I prefer the slowing to the phone just shutting off. I don’t need my phone shutting off if I’m doing something important if I can get that something done even if it takes me a few more seconds. (And related to that, holy geez, people — can’t even deal with a couple or so more seconds? We are babies now.)

    • Kriztyan

      Sure, until you are in a very important phone call, or you are in en emergency where it is imperative to get ahold of someone or emergency services. Not to mention that you are literally losing the choice of when to upgrade/install new battery. I don’t think you gave it much thought. The way Apple has it, it provides you more flexibility.

    • How old are you? Are you married? Do you have daughters? A girlfriend? A sister? Maybe a mother?

      Just curious.

  • Lots of new commenters here. Someone must have opened a valve on an effluent pipe somewhere.

    • Star


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  • lkalliance

    What would really be funny is if battery degradation could be slowed by force-quitting all your apps when you’re not using them. 😉

    • rick gregory

      That probably would exacerbate the issue, actually, since you’d need to relaunch the app from the start to get it back up.

      • lkalliance

        Just joking. With the ongoing background debate about force-quitting apps, and Craig Federighi saying you don’t have to, and this new battery issue coming to light…all we need is for force-quitting to turn out to mitigate the battery issue and BOOM! CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

    • Oh shush. 🙂

  • Douglas Blackwell

    Of the many things wrong with the US, is the surplus of lawyers. There’s just not enough legitimate work so they have to invent it.