Emotional Bill Gates talks about his last visits with Steve Jobs Posted on Monday, May 13th, 2013 at 7:12 am. PTWritten by Jim Dalrymple Great men. Donald Michael Kraig Yes, not many people have achieved as much as Bill Gates. When people actually come up with original ideas and rely on competition often don’t get as far in business as those like Gates who steal, copy, imitate, and use illegal monopolies. Lukas Just like every other company, including Apple. kibbles as a minority marketshare holder in all of its areas, apple has never been ruled an illegal monopoly by multiple courts. yet it has remained the most profitable corp in those same spaces. thats talent. dr.no Borg is trying show its human side just before Windows BLUE comes out.Even trying to court mac developers to not hate Microsoft.It’s a trap. Idon’t Know Bill gates is a great man? Are you serious? Lukas Ever tried not being a dick? I recommend it. Feels great. JeffGrubb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates#Philanthropy quietstorms Like it or not Gates is largely responsible for putting a PC in “every home”. Jobs had the vision but not everybody in the world was going to pay $2,000-$3,000 for a Mac at that time. Somebody had to cater to the low end.This doesn’t even include his humanitarian efforts. Herding_sheep Bill didn’t put cheap PCs into peoples homes. Gateway, IBM, Dell, Compaq, etc. were responsible for that. Bill just supplied the software for these hardware manufacturers (by stealing the Macintosh UI), keeping the price of his software consistent while the hardware OEMs were in a cutthroat race to rock-bottom prices.Bill definitely helped lower the OEMs profit margins though. And he sat back raking in the cash while the OEMs did all the fighting, putting each other effectively out of business through unsustainable margins.People seem to forget just how ruthless Bill was as a businessman in his early years. I’m not discrediting the work he’s doing now (which is world-changing), and he’s certainly become a much nicer and more humble man. But lets not go so far as to forget the man he used to be when he was running MS. JeffGrubb “Stealing the Macintosh software…” — which Jobs stole from Xerox. What’s the difference? Herding_sheep Last time I checked, Xerox invited Steve Jobs, and Apple paid Xerox. If thats your definition of stealing, then God help you.And this has been said a thousand times, but if you think all there was to the Macintosh project was just “copy the Xerox Alto,” you simply don’t have a clue. Xerox had the IDEA of GUI, but it was a project that was only 1/3 complete. Apple FINISHED the Alto.Ideas are a fraction of what goes into a product, 1% inspiration 99% perspiration as Edison would say. Its all about implementation. Microsoft stole Apples implementation, they didn’t just steal the “idea.” There’s a big difference. JeffGrubb OK. Fair enough. You’re right though, ideas are only 1 percent, which is why Jobs was so successful, because he never had any original ideas. (not that Gates did either) BartZumbarri I thought he bought the rights from Xerox. He was the only high level Executive who could see the potential in the market based on a fairly crude demonstration in a lab. Microsoft only took the idea after the potential was realized by Apple. Doesn’t take any vision for that, but it does take good execution which Microsoft was good at in those days.Microsoft had the same delayed reaction to the internet. They seemed to completely miss the boat at first, but then quickly built their own boat to catch up.I remember when Gate’s published his first book about the future (following in Andy Grove’s footsteps). The first edition had nothing about the internet. Then, in true fashion, he later revised the book to add a chapter about the future of the internet (after the internet was no longer the future.) kibbles the $2,500 price point wasnt jobs. his original mac team wanted to keep the machine priced to the low-end (originally conceived at $500!) but by the time it was finished the new marketing bosses, lead by John Sculley, insisted on a premium pricing strategy.read Folklore.org, by Andy Hertzfeld & others. it’s fascinating.http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Price_Fight.txt&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium&search=price quietstorms Even by the story you’re linking to that is not 100% factually correct. Jobs may have wanted a $500 PC but the parts dictated that it was going to be $1500-$2000.Still most could not afford that price point.Even today there isn’t a $500 Mac. Jobs dreams finally came true with the iPad. DigitizedSociety The cheap PC revolution was IBM choosing to go with an open architecture and hiring Microsoft.Triumph of the Nerds Pt.2 at 7:38. http://youtu.be/IbRmaIzGTOM?t=7m38s Luděk Roleček Don’t mistake “being a great man” for “everything he did was great”. Nobody is saying the latter. The White Tiger The lives that have been saved because of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation assures his place in history as a great man. Being a dick from time to time is nothing when weighed against human lives. thismarty I wonder if Gates speaks so lovingly of Gary Kildall these days. It’s just plain good PR to revise your past with someone when the world is listening (as with Jobs), but the numerous people that Gates screwed over who have since disappeared are a different story.