RIM or Nokia Posted on Friday, October 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am. PT Written by Jim Dalrymple Who’s in worse shape? Steven Fisher I think Nokia is probably in worse shape, but I think RIM is more likely to die. Nokia at least has a partner. Bruno RIM follows the principles of Alan Kay Steven Fisher Yeah. But that also means there’s no hardware vendor that might buy you out or otherwise support you. Bruno Believing in yourself is more important than any Nokia is obliged to wait for his partner to be ready before selling Nokia should follow Microsoft’s instructions, not RIM Shiraz I’d say Nokia. Don’t get me wrong I like the company and have enjoyed their products previously but they’ve released good phones with really good software and are going nowhere slowly. RIM still has some aura of hope around it with BB10. It may end up in exactly the same place as Nokia but right at this moment, at least those in the company have some hope to cling to. pawhite524 I hate to say it but it looks like Nokia is doomed by the path Elop has led them down. If Nokia had exclusive rights to MS’s phone OS that would be risky enough but to have to compete against Samsung et al selling 20 different phones with the MS phone OS while Nokia tries to put out 2 or 3 handsets? Nokia better ink a deal with Android soon. I had 2 Nokia feature phones and my adult son more than that. Built like brick outhouses and styled. Nokia had it all just a few years ago and were the number 1 phone seller worldwide until when, 2010? I know I’ll miss them. samuelcaddick Elop is correct when he says that Nokia needs the other phone makers to push hard on Windows Phone to grow the general ecosystem that Nokia is a part of and that Nokia alone could not do. Remember also that Nokia has a special relationship with Microsoft that the other manufacturers don’t quite have. Thus competing in the Windows Phone OS space is better for them than competing in the Android OS space, where they have no such advantage. pawhite524 Thanks for the reply. You have more faith in Mr Elop than I but you may be right and I wrong as I only have a distant view of the proceedings. I do not know if Nokia has more than the handset business in its portfolio, i.e., do they also make small and large appliances or products in the aerospace fields, etc. If not, the risk to Nokia is that of “putting all its eggs in one basket.” Now they are betting the existence of their handset manufacturing business on someone else’s (Microsoft, Inc) success. At this point, IMHO, Microsoft in the phone business looks too much like Sisyphus- pushing the boulder uphill only to see it roll back down just before reaching the top. In conclusion, I hope you are right, I have liked Nokia products and do not wish to see them disappear. Canucker Both are in dire straits, as was Palm but RIM has greater control of its destiny. Is Microsoft making platform payments to all Windows Phone OEMs ($250 million in the last quarter to Nokia).