On the rumor that Google has submitted an iOS 6 Maps app and Apple is sitting on it

Additionally, we’ve learned an updated iOS 6 version of the Google Maps.app has been submitted to Apple.


  • bsanyang

    Well that’s resolves that lie then. The ‘yep man’ hath spoken.

  • Well, will they please?!

  • I think the sensible approach for Google is to let Apple bury themselves over this one for awhile. The current Maps app is a horrible experience. Let every iPhone 5 user suffer with it for a few months at least. It should take some of the shine off their beautiful new device!

    • AnotherCanuck

      Funny how this person refers toiPhone 5 users (of which there aren’t any yet) and not about current users who upgarded to iOS 6.

      It’s kind of obvious he or she has not actually used the maps and can’t speak as to whether it actually amounts to a “horrible eperience”.

      So here we go again – I’ve seen this movie before. Last time it was called “AntennaGate: Apple Is Doomed”

      • I’m an iPhone 4S user running iOS 6 on my device. I also have iOS 6 on my iPad 3. I have experienced Maps. According to the Maps app, I’m currently floating down the river about a mile from home while I type this on my MacBook Pro.

        Maps honestly doesn’t bother me. I don’t use them extensively to care either way.

        I am merely considering how Google might handle this in reaction to all the negative responses. I don’t think it makes sense for Google to rush a Maps app of their own to bail out Apple users who hate what the company has done. I think a reality check for some Apple users who think the company can do no wrong will be healthy for everyone concerned.

        • Depends a bit upon whether Google chooses to distinguish between Apple and the users.

        • kibbles

          it’s not about bailing apple out….it’s about google delighting their users.

          don’t quit your day job.

          • Johnhubert567

            Don’t forget Google doesn’t make money on selling phones. Google makes money on selling advertisements along side products and obviously search. So the idea they would let Apple just take the second most used app and lose half of its local search base on mobile phones seems a little absurd. There will be an app and soon.

          • Steven Fisher

            Google’s customers are their advertisers.

            To delight their customers, they run advertising on it. Advertising is fine, but I think the kind of global tracking advertising that Google uses is still banned.

        • Aranhamo

          I love Apple’s Maps app. My ten year old neighborhood was an empty field in Google’s app. In Apple’s app, my house and my street show up, and I can even get directions to/from my house. If the delivery guys and such coming this way use Apple’s app, they won’t have to call me for directions anymore.

          • Aranhamo

            Google’s map to the storage place I need to go to today is out of date. The road on Google’s map no longer exists; if I followed their directions, I’d never get there. Apple’s map is current, and the directions take me right there.

    • 1amm3t4

      I updated my iPhone 4 to iOS 6 and the next day went back to 5 because the maps app is so horrid, and using the web app of Google Maps is not worth the trouble. iOS 6 is great otherwise, but the mapping data is a deal breaker.

      • Joe123

        Went back to 5?..yea how so?

        • Paul Neman

          Just shift click restore, and download an .ispw for iOS 5.

  • Why such a hater Shyco? Users should not be the ones to suffer..the developers/creators should

    • Blame Apple for the suffering. They forced this solution on everyone.

      I’m not really hating on anyone. As I wrote in the post above, I was just thinking out loud how I might handle this if I had a voice at Google.

      It’s a tough call. On the one hand, this is clearly now one area where Android is superior to iOS for the moment. But Google could get a nice installs bump if they push something out while Apple is still struggling to sort their unreliable data. Ultimately they will want to get their app on as many iOS devices as possible. So I suspect Google will look to push something out to capitalise on the general unhappiness – sooner than later.

      • kibbles

        why not blame google, which forbade vector tiles and turn-by-turn in their contract with apple?

        • selonmoi

          Citation needed.

          • Steven Fisher

            WWDC 2009.

          • Thetruest

            Fuck google.

          • Well, I can’t speak to that contract specifically, but GMaps API TOS specifically forbids turn by turn. Section 10.2.(a).(c).(i) in fact. Given that Apple’s maps application never had turn by turn until they did their own, it’s not unreasonable to assume Google held Apple to that restriction

        • Rational

          Why not provide the reasons behind Googles refusal rather than making it sound like a childish baby-temper tantrum that they had? I am sure there were technical or other reasons that made it impossible for them to provide such features at that time. Be rational when you speak.

          • ekhaled

            Google is offering navigation as an exclusive android feature. Plain and simple.

  • If I were Google I’d finish that app quickly and charge $0,99 for it. I’d buy it instantly.

    • Lawrence of Arabia

      Have you seen how much Tomtom charges?

    • Chaotic Buddhist

      Why would they only charge 99 cents? It’s a high demand item and certainly worth more in development than 99 cents.

      Don’t be cheap man. Pay what the app is worth. It sounds like Google could charge ten bucks and still make a killing. I’d buy it….

      • Scotty7617

        Apple is sounding more and more like hp We want Google maps I am not downloading ios6 sorry Apple you are getting way too controlling not everyone is drinking your koolaid

  • 0.99? I’d pay way more than that. I have all my info and stars in google maps.

    • Andrew

      Has anyone tried going to google maps on the browser, or use it with the atomic browser? Curious what happens now… Still using iOS 5 for now, in no hurry to upgrade (like I used to).

  • Google is an advertising company. Why would they wait to create and submit an app that they could use to continue to milk revenues from a huge market? They simply wouldn’t.

  • Tim

    I don’t think Google should make an iOS Maps app at all. They’ve shown iOS users what they could have if they were on Android instead. Apple is making it easier and easier for iOS users to make the switch. This is also teaching Apple that they need to work with their competitors instead of separating themselves from them, especially Google. Sure Steve Jobs was upset about Android, but after making the switch myself, I have noticed Apple stealing way more innovation from Android and incorporating those ideas into iOS than the other way around. If you want to know what’s going to be in the next version of iOS, just look at what’s in the newest release of Android and you’ll have a pretty good idea.


    Android always had drop-down notification, iOS 5 added that. Android always had turn-by-turn navigation, iOS 6 added that. Android always had a built-in assistant, iOS 5 added that (albeit, a somewhat better approach, but Google Now is a good competitor). Android always had cut/copy/paste, iOS 3 added that. Google implemented Android Market, a year later, Apple introduced the App Store in iOS 2. Android always had multitasking, iOS 4 added that. Android could always sync wirelessly, iOS 5 added that.

    I could go on and on with the features that Android had way ahead of iOS. Since being on an Android phone this past year, I don’t know why I didn’t make the switch sooner. Google’s innovations are always much more exciting and it really makes you feel bad for all the hardcore Apple fanboys who oooh and aaah when Apple releases a feature that Android users have been taking for granted for quite a while.

    Here’s the other thing. I’ve never needed to root my Android device, but if I did need to, it’s a simple Google search away. However, with iOS, you’re at the mercy of a handful of hackers and rarely can you get an untethered jailbreak when a new release of iOS comes out or you have the newest phone. A good example was when I had an iPad 2. It took forever for an untethered jailbreak for iOS 4 to be released. Then right after it was, iOS 5 came out. Then the waiting game started immediately afterwards. I was always about 6 months behind on iOS releases because I couldn’t jailbreak my iPad 2 to do what I wanted with it. These were simple things even, which the phone should of had already. Simple things like replacement keyboards, apps that run as services, etc.

    So does it surprise me that Apple Maps sucks so bad? Not at all. You can’t rush an app to the market and expect to compete with the massive amounts of data and time put into what Google has done with Google Maps and expect to churn out something even remotely in the ballpark. I’m sure Apple Maps will get better, but so will Google Maps.

    If you’re happy being locked down into what Apple says you will and won’t do with the devices you purchase, what apps you can and can’t install, what you can and can’t do with your media, etc., then by all means, stick with them.

    However, if you want to see real innovation, new features that actually work very well from a company who beta tests the hell out of their products and really do listen to user feedback, what’s stopping you from switching to Android? At least you won’t have to worry about the glass shattering so much or having to wrap your slim-sized phone up in an Otter Box. Plus you’ll be able to swap the dead battery with a charged one, use an SD card, use a PS3 controller, etc.

    For me, the choice was simple. I was an Apple fan boy, now I’m a convert and I love Android.

    • Buckeyestar

      If Android is so star spangled awesome, why are you hanging out on here?

      I was unaware that Android screens are incapable of breaking.

    • Joel Martin

      For me the choice was simple, switching from android to Iphone 5, until this maps glitch as the maps fails from google(android) was one of the major annoyances. The catalyst was using my moms iphone 3 this summer and compared to my equally old OG droid it was still smooth and useable. On my OG it getting maps to work is over 5 minutes and sometimes more if it crashes more than once, less than once is a minor miracle. plus google keeps bloating up their uninstallable apps and pushing them to my phone, it’s gotten to where I only have room left on the poor thing for about 10 3rd party apps, only 3 of which are over 1mb.

      I don’t like it but I agree that strategically google shouldn’t realease iOS maps, as that’s got me seriously reconsidering switching. Enough that I’m sure I won’t this weekend, dang.

      • tylernol

        I have used apple maps for the last few months and it has been fine for me. The flyby database obviously has a lot of growing and fixing to do, it has already improved dramatically where I live in Austin. As people use apple’s maps more, it will improve dramatically, and within a few months the differences will be negligible.

      • gjgustav

        Google makes their money from getting data from users. They don’t care if you run maps on Android or iOS. They will release a maps app. In the mean time, their web site works very well on iPhones.

    • BornRight

      Everyone has their own reasons. What I value the most is the best app selection on the planet and that’s still on iOS. Plus I’m assured of getting 3 years worth of OS upgrades. On Android, you’ll be lucky to get at least one upgrade! Next is resale value. Apple products fetch the highest second-hand prices even after a couple of years! This makes it easier to upgrade to a new device after selling your old one. In addition, the iPhone is unparalleled when it comes to the accessories available for it. You have tons of choices to select from. Oh and did I say that the iPhone easily slips into your pant or shirt pocket and can be operated with one hand?!

      • Dgero83

        never heard of the nexus? i nave a nexus s which was released in 2010. unrooted. i have the latest android version jelly bean with voice assistant and whatever you need, it runs smoothly and i could sell it on eBay for 200€. i have a spare battery in my pocket, so it lasts 2days without charging, what else? tethering when iPhone users didn’t even know what it was, voice search was the same, NFC to pair my Nokia Bluetooth headset without having to get the phone even out of my pocket when I sit in my car, Google now which tells me when next train or bus s going to arrive. everything on a 2 years old phone. ah, it works as USB stick on windows and as usb host to put what I downloaded via torrent on my USB stick. a big screen…what would I need a 900 dollar device for?

    • DrMerkie

      Your post is wrong. You’re rewriting history.

      Android always had drop-down notification, iOS 5 added that. True. Android always had turn-by-turn navigation, iOS 6 added that. Nope, they added it in the fall of 2009. And they’re plenty of apps who offer free turn-by-turn navigation in the app store. Android always had a built-in assistant, iOS 5 added that (albeit, a somewhat better approach, but Google Now is a good competitor). Nope, voice dictation is something entirely different. Android always had cut/copy/paste, iOS 3 added that. Not true either, and the way it worked was very crappy. Google implemented Android Market, a year later, Apple introduced the App Store in iOS 2. The biggest lie of them all. When Apple first opened the App Store, there weren’t even any Android phones on the market! Android always had multitasking, iOS 4 added that. True, but it was a resource hog. Android could always sync wirelessly, iOS 5 added that. No, setting up an Exchange-account and syncing your contacts and calendar information is something the iPhone is able to do since 2007. Wireless syncing is something different. It’s not really comparable.

      I stopped reading your post after this, you’re just plain wrong and spreading lies.

      • Joe


      • Dgero83

        Android always had turn-by-turn navigation, iOS 6 added that. Nope, they added it in the fall of 2009. And they’re plenty of apps who offer free turn-by-turn navigation in the app store

        yes, ad there were form android

        Android always had cut/copy/paste, iOS 3 added that. Not true either, and the way it worked was very crappy

        it was crappy on low end phones.

        Google implemented Android Market, a year later, Apple introduced the App Store in iOS 2. The biggest lie of them all. When Apple first opened the App Store, there weren’t even any Android phones on the market!

        you might be Right, i don’t know.

        Android could always sync wirelessly, iOS 5 added that. No, setting up an Exchange-account and syncing your contacts and calendar information is something the iPhone is able to do since 2007. Wireless syncing is something different. It’s not really comparable.

        i don’t know what wireless syncing means. that the phone numbers emails are in the cloud? or send data from your PC to and from your phone? i believe you can do that with iPhone.

    • Joe

      I’ve never seen an android run reliably or as fast as my iPhone. I have a bunch of friends with various versions of Android phones from various vendors, and they all seem slow and sluggish. The iPhone is simply faster and more responsive. I don’t like playing games with laggy interfaces that spend most of the time catching up to the user’s input. I’ll pass.

      It’s easy to sit in focus groups and rush features out ahead of apple. It’s easy to see when Apple messes up or overlooks the simpler things and, again, rush something to market. It’s also easy to hate Apple. But the fact remains, their expensive hardware still exceeds the build quality of any competing device on every level. The operating system is much more stable, in my experiences, I’m sure there are some Google Fanboys who’d disagree, but I’ve never seen it.

      There is a method to the madness. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I don’t mind being locked down by Apple. There is a serious level of security involved with app approval. Sometimes it sucks, and some baddies get through, but in the end it has to be examined by apple first, and that stops a tremendous amount of malware on the iOS. Androids however, with the fragmented UE, and un-restricted environment where it’s all to easy to jail-break and expose yourself to the hacking community (for the less tech inclined especially), you run the risk of being infected, hacked, eavesdropped on etc.

      But alas, like you said, with time things get better. I can’t remember one missing feature above that I truly missed prior to Apple releasing it, with one exception. Wireless sync was a long wait, everything else i never missed. Guess I don’t use my phone at the level of some city slickers do.

      Keep both hands on the wheel boys.

      • redmamoth

        “I’ve never seen an android run reliably or as fast as my iPhone.”

        Oh, so you’re one of the those people that think iOS apps don’t crash because it just chucks you back to the springboard with no error message. Apps crash on my 4S all the time. The most annoying iOS bug for me, which still isn’t fixed in iOS6 (happened to me just this morning) is when someone calls and the phone is locked, I pull the slider across and nothing happens, it just jumps back to the left, swipe, swipe, swipe… nothing! £499 for a phone I sometimes simply can’t even answer! Oh well, I’m probably swiping it wrong.

    • Immortal78

      Whoa! Are you working for Google? I on the other hand, (I will keep it short) was an Android fanboy. But I made the switch after countless times my phone crashed, apps didn’t work well. The whole ecosystem in regards to ease of use is broken on Android. I finally realized how magical using all Apple products is. Everything just works, no need to worry if that app will be fragmented. I will not attempt to convince anyone to switch over from their respective platforms. Everyone has their own opinion on Android & Apple. So please, stop this attemp at convincing people to switch to thy fragmented Android.

    • I LOL when read this: * Google implemented Android Market, a year later, Apple introduced the App Store in iOS 2.

    • currychicken

      Thanks for sharing your conversion story. But I don’t want android for a simple reason that their money lies in advertisers not us and whatever product they do is to make me vulnerable to advertisers and loss of privacy. No thanks!

    • Guff1

      Agree, though I went from Android to IPhone. It’s not that I don’t like my Apple devices but they are quite rude and believe they invented all tech in the world. No, life is not better if we only had Apple !

    • Christophe 3D

      Switched to Android from iPhone. Stayed there one year, but hated it after about 2 weeks.

    • Adam

      What?? Android didn’t even exist when the App Store came out. What are you smoking?

      • Peter Cohen

        Tim’s wrong, but so are you, friend.

    • Peter Cohen

      You are a fucking idiot.

    • jdhwi

      “I was an Apple fan boy, now I’m a convert and I love Android.”

      This is the problem. You’re prone to fanboy-ism. Loving a brand and their products based on nothing is never good. Unfortunately, your disregard for easily researched facts regarding Android show that you just switched from being an Apple fanboy to being an Android one.

      I’m glad you’ve found a device you enjoy using. But coming on a site where you know you’ll get pushback and posting misinformed comments isn’t going to persuade anybody to come over to your side.

    • gjgustav

      “If you’re happy being locked down into what Apple says you will and won’t do with the devices you purchase, what apps you can and can’t install, what you can and can’t do with your media, etc., then by all means, stick with them.”

      Thanks, I will.

      Do you really believe the Google Android Market was out before the App Store? Google Announced the Android Market on August 28, 2008. Apple’s app store was available (not just announced) in June 2008.

      Do you really believe any iPhone fan couldn’t come up with a longer list of things iOS had before Android?

      And finally, do you really believe it’s about being the first to check a box on a specs list?

  • Bernard

    Tim, there is no need to rationalize your switch to Android. I’m sure it was the right move for you. Be secure in your choice man.

  • GregoriusM

    My money is on Google making a Maps App for iOS.

    ADS, ADS, ADS.

    I don’t see how Apple CAN’T approve a Google Map app, or else the government will be all over them, then it will be on iOS, strictly because there are 400 MILLION iOS devices out there!

    ADS, ADS, ADS!!!

    I’m actually kind of 50/50 on this, but I think eventually (fairly soon?) Google will cave in and realize that they have the back end data NOW that the users want, and they can put their ADS in there.

    I’m still putting my money on it. A toonie! How’s that, Jim???!!! lol

    Greg from Manitoba

    • kibbles


      google makes more from ads on iOS than they ever have with android.

  • Iain Lambert

    I don’t care how much money Apple need to throw at the problem, nor if it has to be Google. But I feel like somebody broke my phone; Maps is simply not fit for purpose.

  • HemorrDroid

    Do people actually listen to themselves? Seriously? – they will switch phones because an already crippled app (Maps) got slightly worse for a little while? As for serious navigation, I’ve been using alternative apps on the iPhone pretty much since ANYthing else became available (e.g. MotionXGPS). I sometimes use Maps to get a phone number and that still works just fine. Apple will continue to repair the goofs just like Google had to in the early days.

    Google chose to hobble the iOS version of Maps because they wanted their Android experience to be superior. Apple basically had no choice but to make the hard break and go it on their own because iPhone users would always get a subpar experience if left to Google. Realizing that was the day my love for Google faded away. ‘Don’t be evil” eh, Google?

    The big mistake Apple has been making recently is introducing new software before it is good and ready. First the abomination that is Final Cut Pro X, then Siri and now iOS Maps. They are forcing their users to be the beta testers just like Google always has. Not cool. But honestly, the new Maps isn’t completely useless (especially compared to the old) and it’s so far down on the list of reasons why I (and I believe most) people enjoy the iPhone experience over the non-stop upgrade hell that is the Android universe. But, it’s a new iPhone release and what would a new iPhone release be without all the haters thinking they smell Apple-scented blood and screaming “the sky is falling, the sky is falling!” Yeah… hang around for the next quarterly earnings report and see if any of us are crying.

    • realtestman

      You demonstrate that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Apple developed the Maps app, they always have. Previously they used the Maps API that Google makes available to everyone. Obviously there are certain aspects of Google’s mapping tech that they don’t make available via the APIs, but that’s not hobbling Apple.

      Now they have decided to change suppliers. That is all, really. Google haven’t hobbled it for Apple.

      • kibbles

        it’s been reported that googles map license to apple forbade them to use vector tiles or turn by turn.


        • Realtestman

          Instead of “it has been reported”, how about actually look at the Maps API licence by Google?

          NO ONE has access to vector maps or turn by turn features from Google.

    • The big mistake Apple has been making recently is introducing new software before it is good and ready.

      And maybe they should have waited for all websites to adopt HTML5 before releasing webkit? Waited for the shelves to be full of nothing but USB devices before killing legacy ports on the iMac? Waited for everyone on the planet to have broadband before making WiFi the de facto connectivity option? Waited for all switches to be gigabit before making gigabit a standard on it’s hardware?

      Your need to forget absolutely everything that has occurred up until Sept 12th is as appalling and it is ridiculous. This is how Apple got where it is today. By making the bold moves others are too timid to make. I’m sure this idiotic whining about the Maps App will dissipate in time for half witted theories about the iPhone 5’s actual sales not being spectacular because in 4 weeks or less, the shelves will be stocked as Apple’s production meets supply.

  • I not sure if this makes me a ‘fansboy’ thingy, but I think a new maps takes time.

    For the time being, I using Maps+ for the POIs.

  • Colmanetg

    Do we know whether Apple or Google made the decision to remove Google maps yet?

  • GregoriusM

    The Maps app IS pretty bad, but I do have to say that my “trusty” Navigon app, that was just updated YESTERDAY with FreshMaps, has an entire 3 mile section of a 4 lane divided “freeway” totally non-existent. And it has been there for a YEAR!!! It is a HIGHLY USED piece of roadway! I wasn’t worried when FreshMaps for Navigon came out 6 months ago, and sent me to a road I no longer had access to the way Navigon wanted, and was fairly ticked off when the one 3 months ago didn’t have it, but the brand new one doesn’t have it either?!!!

    And this is a Garmin/NavTeq app. Even MotionX screwed it up until about 2 months ago. But, being a huge Apple fanboy, I seriously think that something behind the scenes had to have contributed to Apple Maps being put out a year before it was ready.

    Yes, I know that it is crowd-sourced to a great extent, and will get better, but it already is very poor. Frankly, I’ve never seen anything this bad come out of Apple.

    Like I said, there HAS to be something behind the scenes that FORCED Apple to bring this to market way to early that we don’t know about. Legal stuff, market stuff, whatever, but this is worse than MobileMe, Ping, etc.

    The more I look around my city, Winnipeg, of 650,000 people, the more I see how bad it is.

    Sad really.

    Other than that, iOS 6 is pretty decent.

  • Owning both an iOS 6 (iPad 3) device and an Android 4.1 (Google Nexus S) device, I find the Android experience overall far more appealing and satisfactory. A significant part of that may be that I use Google’s apps very frequently (calendar, reader, news, maps, etc.), and Google very clearly develops its apps for Android with far more enthusiasm than for iOS.

    Far too many things that are trivial to achieve under Android out of the box (e.g., downloading and saving an MP4 video file for off-line viewing) require clunky third-party apps under iOS.

    I find the Android user interface less clunky than iOS, for which I mainly blame Apple’s silly “though shall not have more than one button on your device” principle, which they started in 1983 with the Mac’s single-button mouse, giving me only a “home” button on iOS. Under Android, I always know for sure where the “back” button is, whereas on iOS, each app displays its own equivalent. Instead of a fixed “menu” button that gets you to advanced options and the configuration menu, each Apple app invents its own solution, or you have to go into a separate settings app to adjust preferences.

    Regarding the discussion above, lets not forget that Android is just an operating system, and therefore only part of the complete product experience. Android runs on both excellent and crappy hardware; you get what you pay for. Android 4.1 runs very fast and very smooth on my good old Google Nexus S phone. The Samsung Galaxy series hardware is no doubt outstandingly good. (If it were not, Apple wouldn’t be so upset about it and fight it now with lawyers, rather than through continued product innovation.) The Samsung Galaxy series outperforms Apple’s equivalents in many ways, including in unfashionable (but for parents of little children crucial!) practicalities such as mechanical resilience of the display. I think the main feature where Apple is ahead of Samsung at the moment is the iPad 3 display. But since Apple doesn’t make displays itself, competitors shouldn’t take long to catch up and can just buy the same from the usual display manufacturers.

    • kibbles

      Samsung hard unquestionably good? er, no. it’s plastic. cheap feeling plastic. no, apple sued them because they copied their trade dress. no different than coke suing someone that copied their “curved glass” (iconic coke bottle design). that’s what market leaders do — defend their brand.

      on your hardware buttons..they’re broken because you don’t know what they’re going to do. great article on it but this site doesn’t allow links for some reason.

  • I’ve tried the new maps and it says I’m sitting in the middle of a field about 1/4 mile from my desk. I used my iPhone 4’s built in maps app when I was in Houston last month. It was great. I haven’t tried driving with Apple’s new app but it is clearly buggy.

    I never jailbreak my iThings. I would expect to have the kind of experience Tim (above) had and decided it just wasn’t worth it. I am grateful for competition both from the jb community and from Android without which we iOS users would still not have things like copy and paste, folders and notifications. But I don’t feel the need to jb my own devices. I may get around to jb’ing my iPad 1 now that it’s been voted off the island by iOS 6.

    There is a definite advantage to curated computing. I’ll take it any day over some of what I’ve heard about or experienced on my Android devices and yes I’ve got a handful of Android devices around to tinker with. I’ll stick with iOS 6 and patiently wait for Apple to make its maps work better or for Google to make theirs available. Meanwhile, I’ve got “beat the traffic” still working just fine on my iPhone 4. People are howling about this so loudly you’d think there weren’t dozens of free alternatives and hundreds of paid alternatives available in the iOS app store. There are.

  • FoxyPaco

    You smartphone nerds crack me up. You guys might as well just go back to pencil fighting.

  • Bman

    Hey, I think I’ll open my own idiotic web site where I just give one word responses to rumors. I’ll start with “MORON” to describe Jim here.

    • Darius

      Hehe have you looked at the number of times that Jim has been correct in his one word responses? That’s right – all of them.

      I’d take a one word response from Jim than a f$&king four page ad-heavy ‘analysis’ from a NMD any day.

  • Nilesh

    What about the Google Search app update? Is that submitted to the AppStore?

  • Mark Tarrabain

    I am disappointed, albeit not terribly surprised to see this.

    The only features that the new apple map application has are completely unusable to me: flyover doesn’t work in my city, and because I only have an iPhone 4, turn-by-turn navigation isn’t available.

    Although Flyover may be available sometime in the future in my city, I won’t be able to get turn-by-turn navigation at all without upgrading my phone. Plus, and perhaps most significantly, the feature that I use on Google maps ALL THE TIME, Street View, isn’t there anymore… which I use a lot to check out locations before I go there when I’ve never been there e before, to familiarize myself with how the buildings and roads are laid out in a way that no birds eye view (which the 3d flyover view still is) can.

    The web-based view of Google maps works acceptably in Safari, but there is no Street View functionality there on the iPhone, and thus the most significant reason why I would prefer google maps over the apple map application is not there.

    “Upgrading” to this map application spells nothing but permanent loss of functionality for me.

    One is compelled to wonder, however… if Apple were to reject a hypothetical Google Maps application for iOS on the basis that it “replicates built-in functionality”, would they not also be obligated to cut out all the many dozens of other mapping and gps apps that were out there for the iPhone? If they do this, they’re going to make a whole lot of enemies out of people who were once friends, and if they don’t do this, then their alleged reason for rejecting Google’s map application becomees blatantly obvious as a lie, so regardless of what Apple does in this case, Apple’s only going to end up looking bad, unless they allow Google to submit their own map application.

    If Google then declines to do this, simply to give Android a “competitive advantage”, then Google ends up being the ones to look bad, deliberately deciding to screw over people who had already bought an iPhone 3GS or later, who may have already been quite reliant on the Google maps functionality that did exist in the iPhone previously.

    The only way everybody wins if Google creates an iOS6 map application that is at least as good as the one that had existed previously on the iPhone. If they further decide to not put in all the features that they have in the Android version, well… at least iPhone users wouldn’t be losing out on any of the functionality that they may have previously enjoyed.

  • Apple’s API agreement for Maps specifically forbids third-party licensees from doing realtime navigation using the data; however, Android phones get to do it. The reasons for Google’s refusal, be they technical (which makes no sense considering Android’s functionality), legal or commercial are irrelevant. What matters is that iOS has been at a competitive disadvantage for several years because Apple could not implement onboard navigation using Google Maps.

    • Mark Tarrabain

      Google’s refusal to allow realtime navigation from Apple’s iOS app doesn’t change the fact that it was still Apple’s choice to replace the old mapping app with an inferior one.

      Although the mapping data errors and assorted routing issues in the new app will probably be worked out in time as it becomes more mature, for myself, there’s still the matter of losing street view, which I depended on all the time, and also losing in-app access to public transit directions.

      And as I have an iPhone 4, the only significantly new feature that I might have really used, turn-by-turn voice navigation, is not even going to ever work on my hardware.

      I’m not saying it’s ideal for Google to withhold features from the iPhone to give their own platforms a competitive advantage, but taking away the actual features from users that did exist, and not even trying to replace them with something that is at least equally useful is infinitely worse.

  • Steve Keate

    Why should we continue to do business with either Google or Apple, both companies seem eager to shit all over their customers mapping experiences.

    I don’t want to deal with a company that ruins the user experience over a petty corporate dispute, nor do I want to deal with a company that punishes it’s customers for not choosing a device controlled by them by forcing them to put up with a worse Google Maps experience than my 2007 Symbian powered Nokia did in 2007.

    Both Google and Apple’s behavior here is reprehensible, and I don’t intend to give either of them any more of my hard earned cash until this mess is sorted out.

  • MacGoo

    Dang it Jim. Your one-syllable refutation isn’t what I wanted to hear this morning. Thanks for the clarification, even if it is a bitter pill to swallow.

  • Speedybowen

    Why can’t I now get street view in my maps now I’ve upgraded my software ?

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