∞ Apple bloggers 'flustered' by Windows 8?

Boy Genius Report has a glowing piece on Windows 8 that they say ushers in the “post-post-PC era.”

In the story, “Sorry Apple, Windows 8 ushers in the post-post-PC era,” BGR makes some pretty amazing claims. As you can guess, I don’t agree with the assertions.

The reception, as you’ve likely read by now, has been overwhelmingly positive.

Joanna Stern from This is my next… describes Windows 8 like this:

“If we’re going to be totally honest though, we’d describe Windows 8 right now as incoherent and contradictory.”

In fact, Apple bloggers were apparently so flustered by the platform that they resorted to bombarding Twitter with jokes about cooling fans and Silverlight instead of stopping for a moment to realize that Microsoft is showing us the future of computing.

Like most people, I was shocked with the stupidity of putting a fan in a tablet. I wasn’t flustered, I was laughing my ass off. That’s why I made the joke about needing a fan. If a tablet has noticeable fan noise and heat, you lose.

Again, Joanna Stern’s observations:

“However, fan noise is very noticeable, as is the heat coming out of the top vent.”

Apple paved the way but Microsoft will get there first with Windows 8.

There’s an assumption that Apple’s in the same race as Microsoft. Apple developed the course, the rules and the vehicles. Microsoft is along for the ride at this point.

A tablet that can be as fluid and user friendly as the iPad but as capable as a Windows laptop.

Microsoft is trying to have it both ways.

We are not living in a “post-PC” era today any more than we were on January 26th, 2010, the day before Apple unveiled the magical iPad.

Of course we are. Apple outlined its vision for what will follow the traditional computer and it is the iPad. Millions of sales later and we have the start to a post-PC era.

At that point in time, Apple will be able to offer a computing solution that is infinitely more versatile and capable than the company’s current solutions. A solution like Windows 8.

I just threw up in my mouth.

If the iPad ushered in the post-PC era, then welcome to the post-post-PC era.

The iPad ushered in an era. It’s an era that Microsoft is trying to build on and that’s great for them, but you can’t say that another era has started based on the preview of a product.

When Windows 8 is released and millions of people choose that over the iPad, then you can safely say that Microsoft ushered in something — until then, they have nothing.



  • Anonymous

    The “genius” part of the blog name- they’re being facetious, right? Is it a humor site, like a tech Onion?

    • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

      Which high volume gadget blog isn’t

  • Todd

    Love that line by BGR: “A tablet that can be as fluid and user friendly as the iPad but as capable as a Windows laptop.” 

    Is that even possible? If it is, considering the 11′ MacBook Air, iPad and Lion, wouldn’t Apple already have accomplished this by combining the three products? Or maybe they’re working on it and it will be released prior to Windows 8…

    Given the coverage at BGR and by Paul Thurrott, apparently the term “fanboy” isn’t exclusive to Apple users and press.  

    • Anonymous

      How does Microsoft think businesses will adopt this new OS.  They never adopted Vista and they still haven’t adopted Windows 7 in any significant numbers.  Our office just got a brand new Dell from our corporate office and it has XP Professional on it.  Windows still sells XP because Large Businesses refuse to use their newer bloated operating systems.  

      Windows 8 will not be adopted by most large businesses and they will demand that they continue to offer XP.  Businesses don’t need the OS to do anything except launch business software. Until Microsoft learns that they will not convince businesses to upgrade.  Their only saving grace is that they still sell XP and older versions of Office, businesses don’t like the newer versions of Office either.

      • Yourmom

        Microsoft doesn’t still sell XP.  Get your facts straight.

        Businesses DO need the OS to do things othat than launch business software…then need to support enterprise solutions.

  • Michael Adams

    Ummm, this is still vaporware isn’t it?

    • Anonymous

      the aim of the game is to confuse buyers. Hey windows 8 has lots of battery life(the ARM version only though). Hey w8 runs all your legacy apps,(the intel i7 powerhungry version)

      Hey, our w8 runs on atom(sure, if you run it like a netbook)

      I dont understand why the AMD fusion line doesnt get more love. the zacate e series is soooo good. netbook pricing, better battery life, and it can do league of legends and steam games. perfect macbook air competitor.

    • Anonymous

      the aim of the game is to confuse buyers. Hey windows 8 has lots of battery life(the ARM version only though). Hey w8 runs all your legacy apps,(the intel i7 powerhungry version)

      Hey, our w8 runs on atom(sure, if you run it like a netbook)

      I dont understand why the AMD fusion line doesnt get more love. the zacate e series is soooo good. netbook pricing, better battery life, and it can do league of legends and steam games. perfect macbook air competitor.

      • Guest

        Not a single one of your whining comments is actually reflecting reality.

        Posted from a windows 8 desktop pc.

      • http://twitter.com/piratesmvp04 Josh Morden

        One of the tablets that Microsoft demoed at BUILD is the Acer Iconia W500 which includes an AMD Fusion C-50 APU.

    • His Shadow

      Not really. It exists, we have demos. But it’s being show n in this halfassed way to attempt to freeze the market, which is just Microsoft’s way. They don’t know any better.

    • Charles

      It’s not vaporware. What makes something vapor wear is when it’s never released and never cancelled. Given they have the release date about a year out, we can’t really call it vaporware until after the release date has passed and it’s still not available. 

    • http://twitter.com/Moeskido Moeskido

      It’s promiseware. LIke Longhorn, which was touted as having formidable features that never saw the light of day, and finally was released—late—as Vista.

      Which isn’t to say that Win8 will necessarily be incomplete when people can actually buy it on a tablet a year from now. But Microsoft is somehow hoping that normal, non-Apple-hating consumers who want an iPad now are going to wait for this.

      Announcing half-built stuff before it’s ready no longer impresses people who can pick up an impressive, working gadget in a store right now.

    • $360AShareAgainPissesMeOff>:-{

      Of course, it’s vaporware.  That’s the Microsoft trademark.  Show and never deliver.  Make a big showing of what wonderful product it has lined up in the future and then it can quietly shelve the product when things don’t work out.  Such tablet bluster from a company that can’t even manage to sell their WP7 smartphones in respectable numbers.  I almost half-expect the Windows 8 tablet to become another Zune.

    • Guest

      Vaporware is software that doesn’t exist.

      Windows 8 not only doesn’t exist, it’s installed on a dev machine tablet handed out at Build and it’s available for download for everybody else.

      That’s the opposite of vaporware.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Boy.

    Yay, an article stroking the ego of the windows platform lovers.

    The best of Apples approach plus AWESOME Microsoft goodness – ‘the power to do anything and everything’.

    Who needs IBM or HP? They still have all the OEMs in the world ready to outperform Apple design and quality…

    hahahahahahahaha

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pishabh-Badmaash/100000345226234 Pishabh Badmaash

    I bet Ballmer has a Zip Drive accessory for his tablet

  • Anonymous

    Definitions

    Apple fanboy: Some one who likes Apple products.

    Microsoft fanboy: The kid in charge of carrying around the fan that keeps the Windows 8 tablet computer from over heating.

    • Kutub

      I fell over laughing

    • Kutub

      I fell over laughing

    • Kutub

      I fell over laughing

    • Ben Collins

      More like “Apple Fanboy: Anyone who doesn’t hate Apple”

  • Ben Collins

    I think BGR have just realized most of their commenters hate anything Apple for no good reason and have decided to embrace the madness.

  • His Shadow

    No doubt the bozo that wrote that BGR article is also fond of calling everyone who supports or defends Apple a fanboy. It’s the only kind of mentality that would attempt to portray the genuine mirth at this clunky Samsung “tablet” as being “flustered”.

    • http://twitter.com/Moeskido Moeskido

      Whatever generates page hits.

  • $360AShareAgainPissesMeOff>:-{

    Who gives a crap what the tech-head know-it-alls say about the Windows 8 tablet?  It’s the everyday consumer that’s going to decide how useful the Windows 8 tablet is to them.  Just because some Wintards are spewing BS that the Windows 8 tablet can do EVERYTHING, that’s just a lot of nonsense as far as consumers are concerned.  Consumers don’t need a tablet that does everything but does the things that they need extremely well and simply.

    If Windows 8 tablet vendors think they’re going to be able to undercut Apple’s iPad in price, then good luck to them because I know they can’t.  I hope Apple buys up all the component capacity for the next year and those Windows 8 tablet vendors will be scurrying around trying to find parts to assemble even a handful of tablets.

    • Absolutely Certain

      Can’t someone take this ‘Old Yeller’ out to the back of the woodshed. He’s had his time. Time to go old chap.

      • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

        What are you talking about? Have you even read his comment? I’m not talking about understanding it, just reading.

        • Absolutely Certain

          Don’t worry, we can get you another dog. Old Yeller’s just had his day. Maybe we’ll call the next one Old Red.

        • Absolutely Certain

          Don’t worry, we can get you another dog. Old Yeller’s just had his day. Maybe we’ll call the next one Old Red.

    • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

      I agree with what you’re saying. I also think that consumers have found this tablet in the iPad.

      Microsoft simply needs to stop with this legacy bullshit, it’s hurting them.

  • Anonymous

    ah, give these MS fans a break. sure, they’re gushing with hope, not good sense. but they’re down to MS’ last chance to keep up with the future, and they need a morale boost to hang in there … until the 2012 season.

  • Anonymous

    Well you’re definately flustered by the BGR article!

    Seriously though, Apple and Microsoft are on very different paths with this. Both have a different idea about what a tablet OS should be.

    But the more I see if Windows 8 the more I’m reminded of something. Apple will no doubt have considered the MS approach. But Apple chose to fork OS X an build a sepearate OS for mobile. After consideration and testing, they decided that was better.

    Apple makes decisions with purpose. Microsoft make decisions because they are playing catch up, and are trying to be different.

    In being different, Microsoft are simply saying Yes to all the things Apple said No to.

  • Anonymous

    Well you’re definately flustered by the BGR article!

    Seriously though, Apple and Microsoft are on very different paths with this. Both have a different idea about what a tablet OS should be.

    But the more I see if Windows 8 the more I’m reminded of something. Apple will no doubt have considered the MS approach. But Apple chose to fork OS X an build a sepearate OS for mobile. After consideration and testing, they decided that was better.

    Apple makes decisions with purpose. Microsoft make decisions because they are playing catch up, and are trying to be different.

    In being different, Microsoft are simply saying Yes to all the things Apple said No to.

  • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

    Planned release for the first tablets is in about a year. Sooo, this means they’ll compete not with the current iPad or iPad 2, but with whatever Apple cooks up in the meantime (software- and hardware-wise).

    Sorry chaps; hockey, puck skating ‘n’ stuff.

  • Doogie125

    Go back 12 months and they made all of the same comments about the HP Slate 500.  Specifically, that what everybody was waiting for was a tablet running W7.

  • kibbles

    why is people forget this simple truth — “post” PC doesnt mean “without” PC. “post” means “after”… durrr. post-pc means “after PC”, as in, what comes next.

    with so much computing happening on non-PCs (cell phones, mobile devices like ipads), w/ the non-PC distribution channel of app stores where anybody can play — then clearly we are in this era.

    http://www.macworld.com/article/159077/2011/04/gartenberg.html

    http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/06/the-post-pc-era-will-be-a-multi-platform-era/

  • kibbles

    why is people forget this simple truth — “post” PC doesnt mean “without” PC. “post” means “after”… durrr. post-pc means “after PC”, as in, what comes next.

    with so much computing happening on non-PCs (cell phones, mobile devices like ipads), w/ the non-PC distribution channel of app stores where anybody can play — then clearly we are in this era.

    macworld.com/article/159077/2011/04/gartenberg.html

    asymco.com/2011/07/06/the-post-pc-era-will-be-a-multi-platform-era/

  • kibbles

    people forget this simple truth — “post” PC doesnt mean “without” PC. “post” means “after”… durrr. post-pc means “after PC”, as in, what comes next.

    with so much computing happening on non-PCs (cell phones, mobile devices like ipads), w/ the non-PC distribution channel of app stores where anybody can play — then clearly we are in this era.

    [links removed -- the default Discus policy of holding comments w/ URLs is lame!! even PCMag lets you post URLs w/o review...]

    • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

      I like this policy. Not to be too snarky, but this isn’t PC Mag.

      Please explain what you wanted to say with your comment, I’m kind of confused. I agree that we are in the post-PC era, but I don’t understand what it has to do with app stores.

      • kibbles

        i said what i wanted to say in my comment, it needs no explanation. “post” means “after”, no “without”.

        the link was another article expanding on what being in a post-PC era entails… Asymco’s “The Post-PC era will be a multi-platform era”.

        why dont you like links? not liking PCMag has no bearing on the pros of such policy. do you find many users here are spamming porn links? i dont. i have a 2000+ Like rating, youd think id be a trusted user by now.

    • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

      I like this policy. Not to be too snarky, but this isn’t PC Mag.

      Please explain what you wanted to say with your comment, I’m kind of confused. I agree that we are in the post-PC era, but I don’t understand what it has to do with app stores.

  • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

    I misunderstood who you were directing the criticism concerning the wrong interpretation of ‘post-PC era’ at. I agree with what you say about the ‘post-PC era’, I, too, dislike it when pundits interpret it as the ‘PC-be-gone era’.

    Although, I don’t agree with is your assertion that the existence of mobile computing and the “non-dependance on retail distribution chains for software, easy access dev tools” constitutes this development.

    In 2001 I was using my fourth PDA* and the third mobile OS**. Every piece of software for any of these devices I downloaded/bought through some kind of online distribution system, some of it I even downloaded and installed without the PC as an intermediary.

    This would mean that we’ve been in the post-PC era for quite some time now. I’ve read this particular Asymco article a while back and I agree with most of what Mr. Dediu says. For me the post-PC era is also constituted by the absence of a PC as the sole host device for mobile computing devices as the iPad; instead the user is presented with an integrated solution that uses online services as the host for some if not all the user’s data.

    • IBM Workpad 2 (Palm IIIx), Ericsson MX218 (Psion Series 5mx), HP Jornada 680, Compaq iPaq H3760 ** Palm OS, EPOC 5, Windows CE and Windows Mobile

    ——— Concerning the link dilemma: You can always ask Jim kindly to whitelist you, that way your comments will show up immediately, even if they contain links. For a while there were quite a few spammers on here and I like this small amount of curation.

    No offence, but ‘likes’ and post counts tend to mean as little in disqus as in other forums. In your case I would agree as a few of your 2000+ likes came from myself :)

    • kibbles

      while your points are valid (that mobile has existed for quite some time), by no means has mobile computing been mainstream, and thats what really counts. senior citizens today are just as happy on a mobile device (my tech-challenged dad uses an ipad) as on a PC; perhaps more so.

      and while it’s always been possible to download odd little java programs onto cell phones (i recall seeing one for my Nokia, once), again, most people didnt bother. there was not the critical mass of mobile developers that there are today — in my medium sized town there are several mobile developer shops w/ active job postings, building real products. this is not the same micro sector it was before. today real development shops can build real applications, and they do not need Best Buy to distribute them. the internet is certainly part of this, but only in tandeedm w/ the huge demand for non-PC applications (post-PC computing). Angry Birds is the success it is because of mobile, despite having the online distro channel available to it (say as a desktop app) for the past decade.

  • Anonymous

    I hate to use terms like “fanboy”, etc. but that certainly applies to Zack Epstein and certainly to Paul Thurrott, etc.

    It seems they’ve been wrapped up in a reality distortion field of their own.  Good demonstrations can do that.  However, when sanity returns, one would expect them to address a few “issues” that have not yet been answered.

    What will the specs be for this future mythical piece of hardware in order to run Windows 8 and various other programs?  What’s the cost going to be?  How hot will it get?  How about battery life?  Microsoft discusses “no compromises”, but good designs take the time to balance these factors very carefully.  They don’t just attack the problems through software without fully considering the hardware.

    Which of course brings the next issue… developer support.  Developers will apparently be expect to write for both x86 and ARM and to develop for the standard UI and Metro.  Multiple combinations to consider there.  I can’t imagine the ARM/Metro combination getting much traction there for example.  Nor can I imagine how performance would be on that combination at least as compared to the iOS/iPad combination.

    I’m sure Windows 8 will be successful on the desktop, just as Windows 7 has.  I don’t share the same view with Microsoft’s tablet strategy.  Android tablets are having a hard time matching iPad prices and capabilities.  How exactly are Windows 8 based tablets expected to compete given the fact that they will have higher hardware requirements just to function (read more expensive)?

  • Anonymous

    Okay Boy ‘Genius’, points for the blatant mis read on what Jobs etc said. but whatever. 

    To the victor on this one goes the sales. Lets wait and see what happens when all these Windows 8 tablets are on the market. I suspect it won’t be a sudden drop in iPads while everyone rushes to Best Buy etc. No great lines outside of those Microsoft stores (unless Justin Bieber is autographing inside) and so on

  • hockleyj

    Apple vs Microsoft, is simple prejudice,   People need to learn the best is simply the best and what you do with it should only make it better, all forms of prejudice, means you miss out on things that your prejudice excludes.   Fanboy’s are simply sheep that need to follow something, week by definition, and are never behind the best solutions, people whilling to combine various technologies are always at the forefront,   Tell me this, how many people at apple run windows on there mac’s and at microsoft that do the opposite, how many work at google who use mac’s but don’t use chrome, or google email. There would be some.   The fact is being a fanboy is being limited and somewhat a luddite

  • Guest

    Regarding the joke about the fan. Try loading the Win8 dev preview on an Acer Iconia Tab W500. Great form factor, no fan, good performance, all-day battery life, no heat… and a (very robust) bundled snap-on keyboard when I need it. I did it a couple of days after the software was available for download. The Metro apps I use most often are simple: weather, news, flickr streaming and IE… which loads directly into my Live account for email, photos and web-based office apps. I can also use the legacy Windows Media Player to stream media (including HD video) from my NAS, but it’s more efficient to access media from the 64GB SD card I plugged into it. Everything works. They all work. Today. Now. On what is practically pre-alpha software.

    I also have 2 profiles on the tablet. My profile, which uses my Live account as the sign-on, and a generic local account for sharing the tablet. My account is secure, while my kids and guests can use the generic account. Can the iPad do that?

    I didn’t think so.

    • http://mangochut.net/ mangochutney

      Impressive. Do you have to possibility to show this stuff in a video? I’d really interested about a real world demo.

      If you can share some data on battery performance, the types of apps you’re running and your general usage pattern.

      As for the profiles: Yes, I have sometimes wished to add a second account on the iPad for use by my girlfriend or guests. But after a while I found that it’s not that big of a deal, because the only people that are allowed to touch the iPad are people I trust. I’m by no means discounting your argument, on the contrary, but I believe the iPad’s inability to handle multiple user profiles stems from the fact that Apple is in this business to sell hardware not software. They want everybody in the family to have their own iOS device, where as Microsoft just want to sell large amounts of licences to hardware manufacturers.