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Logic Pro 64-bit the talk of the NAMM music show
By Jim DalrympleJanuary 19, 2010, 2:31 pm PT
Apple’s release of Logic Pro 9.1 two days before the NAMM music show in Anaheim, Calif. last week caused quite a stir on the show floor with developers, engineers and users.
Among its major changes, Logic Pro is now a 64-bit application. We’ve all heard about 64-bit apps before, but in practical terms, it will help music producers and songwriters create better music. That may sound like somewhat of a stretch, but it’s true.
All 32-bit applications have a memory limit limit of 4GB. That means that after system memory has been accounted for, the most memory an app can use is 4GB. However, a 64-bit application’s memory usage is virtually unlimited.
This is especially important when using plug-ins with large sample libraries. One company at the show that immediately took advantage of the 64-bit version of Logic was Spectrasonics.
Spectrasonics showed off 64-bit versions of its entire product line at NAMM, which is no small feat considering Logic 9.1 was announced just two days before the show started. The company was obviously prepared for the move to 64-bit, and company founder Eric Persing said his customers will see immediate benefits in Logic.
“A lot of our customers are using Logic and they are pushing it to the edge,” Persing told The Loop. “We implemented 64-bit in the latest versions, so customers will be able to load more sounds and instruments immediately.”
To give you an idea of what kind of overhead we’re dealing with, let’s look at Spectrasonics’ Trilian Total Bass. Persing said that just one bass in the collection contains about 21,000 samples — there are about 1,200 basses in the entire package.
That’s just one package and one instrument. Add Omnisphere, Stylus and other plug-ins to your project and it’s easy to see how Logic Pro 64-bit is going to help users create music.
Other companies are set to take advantage of Logic’s move to 64-bit too. Plug-in maker McDSP just announced its Audio Unit plug-ins and told The Loop that they are working on 64-bit versions too.
Drum sample-maker Toontrack Music said they are looking at bringing all of their products to 64-bit, but didn’t have a firm timeline for their release.
“Superior [Drummer] definitely needs to go 64-bit first and in all likelihood it will be the first,” said Toontrack’s Andreas Sundgren.
One problem plug-in makers face is with the Pace Anti-Piracy technology. Currently, Pace requires plug-ins to be 32-bit, so some plug-ins may take longer than others before making the move to 64-bit.
Pace declined to comment for this story.
Luckily Apple has been proactive in allowing users to take advantage of Logic Pro 64-bit while still using 32-bit plug-ins. With the release of Logic Pro 9.1, Apple included Audio Unit 32-bit Bridge, a seamless way for 32-bit plug-ins to be recognized while running the application in 64-bit mode.
It’s not just plug-in makers that were talking about Logic Pro at NAMM, professional engineers were ecstatic about the news.
“[This is] a game-changer,” said audio producer and engineer, CJ Vanston. “I can now focus on creativity instead of the coitus interruptus of memory messages which seemed to sense when inspiration was at a peak.”
Vanston is currently working with Jeff “Skunk” Baxter and has worked with many artists in the past including Steve Vai, Tina Turner, Celine Dion, Joe Cocker, Ringo Starr, B.B. King, David Crosby and others.
“The 64-bit gauntlet has been thrown down by Apple with Logic,” said Vanston.
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Logic Pro 64-bit the talk of the NAMM music show
By Jim DalrympleJanuary 19, 2010, 2:31 pm PT
Apple’s release of Logic Pro 9.1 two days before the NAMM music show in Anaheim, Calif. last week caused quite a stir on the show floor with developers, engineers and users.
Among its major changes, Logic Pro is now a 64-bit application. We’ve all heard about 64-bit apps before, but in practical terms, it will help music producers and songwriters create better music. That may sound like somewhat of a stretch, but it’s true.
All 32-bit applications have a memory limit limit of 4GB. That means that after system memory has been accounted for, the most memory an app can use is 4GB. However, a 64-bit application’s memory usage is virtually unlimited.
This is especially important when using plug-ins with large sample libraries. One company at the show that immediately took advantage of the 64-bit version of Logic was Spectrasonics.
Spectrasonics showed off 64-bit versions of its entire product line at NAMM, which is no small feat considering Logic 9.1 was announced just two days before the show started. The company was obviously prepared for the move to 64-bit, and company founder Eric Persing said his customers will see immediate benefits in Logic.
“A lot of our customers are using Logic and they are pushing it to the edge,” Persing told The Loop. “We implemented 64-bit in the latest versions, so customers will be able to load more sounds and instruments immediately.”
To give you an idea of what kind of overhead we’re dealing with, let’s look at Spectrasonics’ Trilian Total Bass. Persing said that just one bass in the collection contains about 21,000 samples — there are about 1,200 basses in the entire package.
That’s just one package and one instrument. Add Omnisphere, Stylus and other plug-ins to your project and it’s easy to see how Logic Pro 64-bit is going to help users create music.
Other companies are set to take advantage of Logic’s move to 64-bit too. Plug-in maker McDSP just announced its Audio Unit plug-ins and told The Loop that they are working on 64-bit versions too.
Drum sample-maker Toontrack Music said they are looking at bringing all of their products to 64-bit, but didn’t have a firm timeline for their release.
“Superior [Drummer] definitely needs to go 64-bit first and in all likelihood it will be the first,” said Toontrack’s Andreas Sundgren.
One problem plug-in makers face is with the Pace Anti-Piracy technology. Currently, Pace requires plug-ins to be 32-bit, so some plug-ins may take longer than others before making the move to 64-bit.
Pace declined to comment for this story.
Luckily Apple has been proactive in allowing users to take advantage of Logic Pro 64-bit while still using 32-bit plug-ins. With the release of Logic Pro 9.1, Apple included Audio Unit 32-bit Bridge, a seamless way for 32-bit plug-ins to be recognized while running the application in 64-bit mode.
It’s not just plug-in makers that were talking about Logic Pro at NAMM, professional engineers were ecstatic about the news.
“[This is] a game-changer,” said audio producer and engineer, CJ Vanston. “I can now focus on creativity instead of the coitus interruptus of memory messages which seemed to sense when inspiration was at a peak.”
Vanston is currently working with Jeff “Skunk” Baxter and has worked with many artists in the past including Steve Vai, Tina Turner, Celine Dion, Joe Cocker, Ringo Starr, B.B. King, David Crosby and others.
“The 64-bit gauntlet has been thrown down by Apple with Logic,” said Vanston.
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i was just thinking about this the other day , i use logic 32 bit to the limit , so i am guessing there are many more who face the problems of processing , this is just great news for people like me , with 32 bit plugin compatibility .. sweet …
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Just render to audio… I doubt your plugin can compete against a real player and they are an audio track! Why oh why can't people understand this? If your good, You can just render as you go and there isn't any limitations… just more market hype to get your $$!
we are talking about 64 bit application not 64 bit audio. I use a battery of virtual instruments some like N.I Kontakt load up to 1GB + per sound! Rendering is no use for me as I 'd to modify my orchestral strings score (up to 12 parts at time) on the fly. 64 bit apps can access more than 4 GB of memory. In my case 16GB allows me to load all my orchestral part on one computer and in one application instead of loading stand alone instances of the same program or worst networking multiple computers just to get a strings section going.
So definitely a lot more than just marketing hype. The only thing is that programs like Cakewalk Sonar, Steinberg Nuendo and Cubase, had 64 bit support already a while ago. This article makes it sound like Apple invented the wheel.
Good point Claude. Also, there's the creativity/flow factor which doesn't like having to stop and render tracks that are still in flux and may change.
it’s “you’re” not “your” in that context.
That tells me an awful lot about your intelligence, so I naturally ignore everything you say. Moron, learn English.
does this mean we might see an upgrade in cd music quality like we have with the DVDs going to Blue Ray?
Unfortunately the world has been leaning in the other direction! Whilst the world of consumer video has been striving for higher definition and quality the world consumer audio has been pushing inferior audio via mp3 and AAC . Sonically, even high bitrate versions of these formats are just plain worse than cd audio! So in answer to your question, 64 bit logic will most likely have no effect on the possible mass production of high def audio. But hopefully as broadband gets faster, storage gets bigger and download limits increase something will change! Its a real shame you can't buy uncompressed audio on i-tunes….that would be a start!
BS… you can buy CD's off iTunes. You don't have to DL… you can just get the CD's and I even offer CD24 versions of my catalogs for the high def audio users.
The "64-bit" talked about here is memory addressing, not audio bit depth. They are two separate issues.
I wonder how many Logic Pro users will be confused by this?! Does it not appear strange to these people that we've suddenly jumped from 16 bit to 24 bit and then this massive leap of 64 bit.? Apparently not.
I suspect these are not the people who will most benefit from the greater memory addressing capacity!
The 16 bit to 24 bit jump was for the bit depth of the audio… the 64 bit is in regards to the program's construction, i.e. allowing more virtual memory as stated above.
I wonder why people using Logic Pro dont know the difference of bith depth and directioning of RAM hahahahaha.
Sigh, I remember a time when being a producer/audio engineer required you to know even a LITTLE bit about the technology and science you were working with. It makes me sad that you can know this little and still tell your friends that you record music. And then you can go on forums about new technology and post things that make no sense with confidence that you're making an intelligent observation.
Everyone shed a tear for the loss of standards in the recording industry.
Nothing wrong with change not in this way ,its all about living and learning,We all have to start somewhere,Its not as if you never once had a clue like i did 2 years ago and still think so now but comparing then to now have come along way since and without even proper training of sorts but more as a hobby in my spare time obtaining knowledge software hardware,and other tools along the way for a very competitive if not cheaper price pending according to ones budget as what it would cost most to actually hire an engineer and use a recording studio for a very limited time and still be completely clueless with little to potentially show for ones incentives as well as efforts both present and future, Are you sure your not just crying over spilt milk now the tables have been turned having hit home about the fact that what you as well as others potentially may have done or maybe still are doing is perhaps not as special as you may have once thought or made out to be being no longer in control of up and coming real affordable potential from which you are and will be unable to match? Hows that for an intelligent observation? And I still don't have a clue,
right. It's like people didn't read the article.
Mike, why would you read if you can ‘render to audio’? L…
Yes!
This has been a long time coming for Apple. They have been limited by the 4 gig memory slot for too long. I was at NAMM and although there did not seem to be that many new things in the horizon this one in particular was obviously needed. Apps (plugins) have become to complex and too large for a small 4 gig memory slot. The advantages of moving to 64 bit will expand this limit big time !! Can't wait for the apps to catch up !
I can’t wait for the day when I can have all my plugins open and run multiple programs at the same time without slowing my computer down. This sounds like a step in the right direction.
Will the upgrade be free for logic 9 users?
The upgrade came out last week and is free for Logic 9 users. Just use the software update in OS X to get it.
No CD Audio is a predefined standard
SACD or DVD Audio standards exist that offer higher quality than CD even today
God I wish SACD would start moving. TASCAM makes a DSD recorder which I commend them for creating. You can work you mix at as high a resolution as possible and then go analog or digital to the TASCAM DVRA1000 and record your two track at super audio DSD resolution. That is where we need to be going.
what do you mean, no CD audio is a predefined standard? 16 bit 44.1k is certainly the predefined standard for CD. Yes, SACD and DVD audio are better, but SACD has not experienced much success and really isn't gaining any popularity, and it's unlikely that dvd audio would become a common medium for music.
As people have seen bigger screens driven by better sources, the advantages of moving to a high definition format have become apparent. Further, the cost of higher definition has been reasonable and being lowered all the time.
To appreciate high definition audio sources, you need equipment with very high fidelity reproduction. Its not widely available and extremely expensive.
Will this make a difference to the operation of mainstage ie
will instruments no longer drop out etc while changing voices
in a particular set? It would be good if it does.
Cubase has been 64 bit for over 2 years. This article was a good read but makes Logic out to be a 64 bit pioneer which it certainly isn't. No offense:-)
I don't think anyone is claiming that Apple is the first to move audio software to 64-bit, but Logic Pro is the standard when it comes to professional audio. It is a big deal when the software that most of the industry uses makes a large step.
"most of the industry?" hhhmmm
Hmmm maybe you need to read the article again. Nobody is contending that PCs and Cubase were 64bit first.
ohh you Cubase users, always complaining…
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Cool news, but I don't understand how "The 64-bit gauntlet has been thrown down…". Apple's hardly first to the party here.
I think you may have misunderstood the comment. The comment was aimed at plugin manufacturers to step up to the plate (like Spectrasonics has). This is really good news for us Logic users. And as far as I know, only PreSonus and Apple have 64bit DAWs for the Mac…
Maybe the article should not written so misleading as saying 'The 64-bit gauntlet has been thrown down.."
Many other 64-bit DAWs have been around for over 4 years.
Kinda like Jobs stated today with the iPad being 'revolutionary' when he should have stated evolutionary. Not only that it doesn't support Flash so that cuts out major of the high-end RIA websites out there especially video players.
I think Apple has a habit of announcing things like they're the first to come up with them!
I also think that 64-bit is nice, sure you'll be able to load in large sample libraries. But realistically, I think only the Mac Pros are gonna take advantage of this right now. Even though the newer laptops can use 8GB of memory, the processing demands of large-footprint VIs and sample players may be the limiting factor. Also, the latest Kontakt lets 32-bit apps address >4GB memory samples using their own memory handler.
Initially it will due to the forced memory cap on the MacBooks and MacBook Pros but you have to remember that ALL Macs since the Core2Duo (as well as the G5 Macs) are 64 bit machines and so all have had the theoretical ability to access 18 exabytes of RAM (actual limit of 64 bit machines) their only real block to this has been the operating system so it needed Snow Leopard to come out first.
While Cubase and others might have been 64 bit capable it doesn't mean they are running at full 64 bit. If the OS isn't 64 bit then the software can't be either. Leopard allowed 64 bit addressing of RAM but was not a true 64 bit OS.
Can't wait for Final Cut Express and iMovie to be 64 bit as well.
This will not help you create better music. Just more layers. Puff piece. And the 32-bit audio plug in bridge is very "non-seamless"
"This will not help you create better music. Just more layers"
ummm….speak for yourself….more RAM, more sophisticated libraries, more velocity layers, more expression, more emotion. Less time freezing tracks or bouncing=more creativity, less interruption of process…ability to use better orchestral instruments and better plugins…
So maybe not for you, but I do this day in day out and this WILL make me create better music, it already HAS.
I do this day in day out, 6 days a week, 10 hours a day. Please do not speak for me or my music. Thanks!
I guess he's "crampen" your style! har har…
now if people just make sure they boot osx in 64 bit mode before running the app…..
if you have snow leopard jeff, your mac will automatically boot in to 64bit mode.
Actually it does not, the kernel by default boots still in 32 bit.
you have to hold down the “6″ and “4″ keys at boot to load the 64-bit kernel and kexts. It still is 64 bit above the kernel so either way you can run the app, as the 32 bit kernel uses memory extension for the OS to get round the 4gig barrier
R u saying you have to hold down the 6 and 4 keys (no command key, shift key) each time you boot for the 64 bit to take efect?
Awesome!!! Now Digidesign really has to get on the ball with this!!!! I know their already releasing test version for registered user, But im hoping that with 64bit Pro tools, theyll finally off their HD nonsense and make some better interfaces!!! +1 for logic! -2 Pro tools
p.s. I really love using Logic Studio 8 and MainStage 1and it is wonderful that they interact in Logic 9. I need to know what any current bugs are before I update to Logic Studio9.1
Thank you.
This is great news!!! having 64bit will not only create move plugin usage but better sound quality. Yeah I love that.
>> having 64bit will not only create move plugin usage but better sound quality
Really? How is that?
Whoohoo!!! I'm a happy person. Just what I need! But how about BFD2? Will take advantage of 64-bit within Logic?
well now my decision was made..sorry pro tools… Logic here iCome.
Maybe Digidesign can implement automatic latency compensation for plug in's in Pro Tools LE at the same time as going 64 bit..
Then it really might convince me to mix in Pro Tools LE instead of Logic!!
(Or am I just dreaming…?)
Sort it out Digidesign!!!
I just want to point out that 64 bit audio processing and 64 bit data processing is Not the same.
Logic has had 64 bit internal audio processing for quite some time.
The new thing here is 64 bit data processing, and that will have an impact on how many plugins and tracks you can run.
I use Sonar Producer Edition and it has been 64 bit for years.
Sorry Logic is not the first. The gauntlet was thrown down already.
thanks Jim, I was talking about plugin manufacturers following the lead and updating to 64 bit, not DAWs. I am aware there are other 64 bit DAWs, but most are for PCs.
Also… sorry… but vs Logic or ProTools, Sonar is an absolute dog of a program 64 bit or not.
I have a 64bit powermac g5, which runs logic 9 fine because it's a universal app. Does this now mean the G5 too which is 64bit can now enjoy greater than 4GB in Logic 9. Or does this mean that this and all future upgrades to logic no longer works with the G5, just like snow leopard which ironically works in both 32bit and 64 bit mode.
My job and the economy prevent me from buying an intel only mac anytime soon.
I hope someone writes software that let's the 64bit Powermac G5 take advantage of more than 4GB memory in Logic 9, even if that requires Logic be the only program running, I know it is possible because the G5 is a true 64bit processor.. Since so many studios have G5 Powermac's, this would be a "true game changer" If however this is limited only to intel, you have just dropped 50% of logic users out of the equation.
The update does not work on the G5. I am using a Quad G5 and I am very disappointed about the dropped support for PPC not only in SL, but also with 64bit Logic 9.
My quad is still relatively fast. A pity that it is not completely supported anymore after 4.5 years…
The only thing running in 64bit is Terminal within the OS on your old G5 -bit of a swizz huh?
Hey dave i am in the same boat, my studio consists of a G5 quad purchased in 06.Maxed out with 16 gigs of ram.i spent over 3,200.00 just for the Quad. im pissed
So how much money am I going to be up for to upgrade considering I only purchased a mac and logic only a month and a halve ago ??
The update is free. Just run software update on your Mac and it will download and install.
this is going to be big is pro tools planning on making the switch?
Funny, the joke used to be:
Q. How do you get a musician to whine and complain?
A. Give 'em a gig.
I guess the new answer is "give 'em a free update"
I thought that was a great adaption of the the old musician joke! I also recently bought a macbook pro and Logic 9, Then, two days before I saw the news release on apple's home page My computer automatically asked my if I wanted to upgrade. Well Yes! I noticed when I open logic it still shows (32 bit). I am new to Logic and mac and I'm Impressed. It's going to take a while to master everything.
Sweet! Audio Interface & App War's. Well, I guess it'll be Logic & not DP that I go with on round 2. I too am curious as to DigiDesign's answer… Running the typical right now (PT LE 8). It suit's my needs for the time being, but I really want to "knock it out of the park" as they say, when I am ready to get a new App…
64 bit is great ! Can´t wait to run the new optimised Plugs !
I was at the NAMM show. Apple wasn't. Clever marketing with this announcement. What they didn't tell you was that many of us ALSO commented on how snobby Apple has been recently.
So yeah great 64 bit. I'll wait till version 9.1
Unless they are calling it Logic 10 (which it appears not to be the case) the update is free.
Technically I welcome advances. Great! But ultimately it does NOT make you make better music. And the general public couldn't care less and oh yeah they still want yr music for free…
I'm sure its great to have access to more RAM, but this release was really just a bit of "look we got here first" from Apple. The 64-bit version loses a lot of REALLY important stuff – there's no AAF/OMF support so no FCP interchange. No ReWire, so no Live or Reason (or MAINSTAGE!) No playing out of videos over Firewire or Cinema Desktop for those composing for picture. No REX support, no handling of AKAI file formats, no Euphonics support, no MIDI mapping, no Logic Node functionality…
This stuff is important, especially to those Logic users who are the ones that need the access to large sample libraries – the score writers, the composers, those doing sound for picture work. More than anything, this release shows that Apple really don't understand the Logic users.
" One company at the show that immediately took advantage of the 64-bit version of Logic was Spectrasonics." – erm, not quite. I imagine Spectrasonics had been working on that for a while, its not like they rewrote their plugins just for Logic.
That's the smartest thing anyone has said here! Access to more RAM doesn't mean much if the rest of your work flow is crippled!
When is this going to happen with Final cut Studio 3?
Other than having a significant memory advantage are there any other benefits to 64 bit audio?
Any word if Logic Express will be 64 bit?
Uh about 3 weeks ago pro tools came out with 64 bit
Looks like a considerable improvement with the arrival of true 64 bit features in Logic 9.1 and onwards. With the slower 7,200 rpm hard drive real time reading limits being addressed with faster drives and being able to use Logic Node to expand the processing power, if this is still included in Logic 9.1 then my multi G5 Logic 7 synced system will have to be updated to include Logic 9.1 and future updated versions when funds allow. I am using Final Cut too at the moment so the financial outlay for many of us is considerable with the approximate cost of £9,000.00 for a G5 with full 32 Gigs of ram, four internal SATA hard drives without a monitor or programs…….. just might have to save up for a while…… and take a long down time to find out where the control buttons are in the new current version, again…… but good news for musicians. Having used sequencers since the Roland MC500 and emagic Notator days professionally. Logic 6 and 7, true 64 bit processing is FANTABULIFIC at last but at a price. Is it just me or do all the music programs seem to be copying each other so that one day they will all be much of a muchness? Well lots of peoples hard work developing new toys for us musicians to use deserves a big thank you for making such things possible. I still like my Studer 24 track though…… Kind regards, Lawrence
Hi Lawrence just a brief comment in response to your suggestion to such software or daw's in particular being much of a muchness which I myself felt too but as a suggestion of different perspective and a stand out from the crowd software or daw have found Live 8 or better yet Live 8 studio in is a domain of its own offering both conventional as well as original incentives unmatched today by any other software I have seen to date, I have both Pro Tools 8 and Live 8 studio from which I have fairly recently obtained ,It may seem at first a little somewhat alien to begin with but is really quiet easy to use and self explanetry whilst one creates on the go which to me is very important when it comes down to split second compositional ideas off the top of my head that would more than likely be lost ,diverted or most likely trashed with every split second that lapses with in the human mind , In saying so however have nothing against Pro tools as I am one like them both but just thought to share such possible potential input with you in the way of diversity which I myself do recommend as food for thought
it seems apple is always behind when it comes to the "perks" of their product. PROTOOLS ALL DAY
if you're an engineer, yes. If you're a musician, and ESPECIALLY if you're a composer, you're really missing out if you don't "get" Logic.
You guys are disappearing up your clients' a##holes.? All this 64 bit will be converted down to AAC 90% or the time. Just more mush and autotune. Yuk.
Ummmm…..you are misunderstanding what 64 bit is and making one of those uninformed giant sweeping statements I see online at the same time, in all due respect.
64 bit does NOT refer to audio quality. The audio quality in Logic has NOT changed. I repeat, 64bit has NOTHING TO DO with audio quality.
64 bit refers to processing, which gives Logic the ability to address unlimited RAM.
So maybe more mush and autotune for you, but for me vastly improved workflow, more sample layers, more expression, more emotion, better music.
You may want to re-thing the a##holes thing.
Jon,
Don’t give false information. This is from Digidesign website.
“Q: Is Pro Tools 8.0.3 a 64-bit application?
A: Pro Tools 8.0.3 is a 32-bit application. We are investigating 64-bit support and have no release plans to share at this time.”
Why does everyone hate on apple? There are no 64bit music daws execpt logic, not cubase (maybe 6.0), not protools, etc.
Again, apple is a leader. Of course, Windows 64bit music apps existed for a while, who wants to run a music app on an UNSTABLE PLATFORM.
Then don't give false imformation yourself then. Cubase 5 IS 64-bit and I run it just fine on Windows7 64-bit thanks. Also to the people that seem to think 64-bit data processing will make their tunes sound better; are you really that dumb? I knew a guy that bought a Mac coz he thought it would enable him to make good music. Durr.
Martin, get a life. No one is talking windows here. Reading is fundamental. "Windows 64bit music apps existed for a while…." duh. No one is saying 64bit will make your music sound better, duh #2. The ability to access extra memory beyond 4GB limitations of 32bits OS is the primary reason, especially with large sample libraries and esx24.
Martin I hope your music is better than your intelligence.
Haha your ignorance cracks me up."Get a life". I like it.
People on this very thread have been asking "will my music sound better?" Yes, reading is fundamental isn't it.
"Windows 64bit music apps existed for a while…." Existed for a while and still exist even though Apple are implying that they got there first.
And you have no idea of my intelligence or my music so the thought of you trying to assume you do is pretty lame. It's pathetic how people get offended by nothing through the internet.
Bitter and twisted it seems to me T Williamson, sad isn't it? . You think the wingers would better spend their time in a productive manner, like make a better product! To me , if all you can do is whinge and complain, your life is not happening. Get over yourselves if this is the case, your life is not Apple's fault!
Actually, Logic is LAST to the 64 bit game. Why would this article imply they are first??
Hilarious.
again, completely untrue statement. ProTools is NOT 64 bit. DP is NOT 64 bit. Cuebase & Nuendo for Mac are NOT 64 bit.
Folks please use THE GOOGLE before you make these elementary, incorrect posts!
And the article did NOT imply that Logic was first! The line "Apple has thrown down the guantlet" was referring to the fact that Apple is a HUGE player in the DAW industry, and that Apple had shaken up the NAMM show and put a sense of urgency to plugin manufacturers to go 64 bit, which, if you were there, they DID.
First with a stable app, on a stable platform. I love when my friends "SONAR 64" crashes on a POS OS like windbloze. It really wasn't cool, in a middle of a session. Cubase? Who uses that? anyway, there are inferior daws on a inferior os, yes. Logic is a stable app on a suerpior OS.
Nobody's music will be better with 64bit again, check out Steve H's video on 64bit on mpv. I love apple haters. They just made they paid $500 for a unreliable computer, and are probably using soundblasters to make music. Go Figure.
Its about time Logic went 64 bit. I wonder does that mean that all the fx will be able to run at double the 64 bit rate at 128 bit. It would be amazing to increase the resolution in Logic. I like it when new technology is added to Logic, but what worries me is everytime new technology something becomes obsolete. Luckily my computer is 64 bit.
Stop chatting and go make some music.
Silly Post – Apple was not even at the NAMM show. The big talk of the NAMM show was how many companies were shrinking in their display presence (Avid ProTools had only a postage sized display compared to previous years). The big talk was how the Digidesign name is dead. No more. Avid has decided their name has more value than the name that brought HD recording to the masses.
Hear me all that enter here. It is fair to say that whilst we bemoan the prejudice of our investments going obsolete within smack time, alas, there's hope! Let's appreciate paying big for good work. I make music (as a hobby) on a wintel laptop that's been cranking stable for a couple of years. I confess that I could do more if I got more power but through a bit of patience and skill, the job still gets done. I am only happy to know that the pros are well catered for and that one day when I make bank, I will catch up with the latest 'pro gear'. If one's workflow demands lots of processing power, then I guess it goes with product demand, and the ability and justification to keep up with upgrades. Apple products generally look good, are easy to get started with and are consistent. To ask Apple to join the 'rats' would disbenefit those of us who put creativity first.
Suh!!! Weeeeeeeeet!! Logic Rules!!!!
Can't we just jump to a 512 or 1 megabit architecture? First it as 8 bit, then 16 bit, then 32 bit, and now it is 64 bit. When 32 bit came out….. it was a "game changer with endless possibilities." Come on now…… let's skip 64, 128, and 256….. straight on to 512 or 1 megabit….. that should be fast enough for a while!
your understanding of computer architecture is ridiculously profound.
As if 64-bit instructions fed to a processor had anything, at all, to do with speed.
"The 64-bit gauntlet has been thrown down by Apple with Logic"…….. Really? I have been using 64-bit Cubase 5 since mid-2009. Seems like people forget about non-apple products sometimes.
If this helps music makers at all levels make better quality production then i am all for it, go apple throw it down. I can not wait to try it i am still learning taking baby steps. This should not be limited only to intel it needs to be compatible with all programes .
@Simon Therm
or:
A: Give 'em a Gigabyte
pro tools
[...] big piece of news at the NAMM music show this year was Apple’s move to a 64-bit version of Logic. Of course, any great music platform needs great plug-ins and Spectrasonics delivers. [...]
There was a time when I was making music using logic pro 6 and my Apple laptop G3 … not worrying about the bit depth or the processing power …….. the more details you try to explore the more complicated it gets … its that simple
Yeah i agree. I been pushing logic to the edge for a while. Now with the 64-bit program and 12 gb of RAM i'm a happy camper. Go Apple.
Acbionic
I’ve just read all the comments on here.
Unbelievable.
If you have the capacity to get so angry about who did what first in regards to 64 bit data processing, the fact that it’s not the DAW that’s 64 bit, Apple playing it off as if they’re the “first,” then I guess it’s pretty fair to say you have a pretty good life.
The fact that you are even reading this forum means you have a computer and an internet connection- both a luxury, not one of life’s neccessites; not to mention a DAW and all the price tags that go with that.
Before you decide to unload whatever anger you have, which obvsiously stems from things not of this topic, realize that not only are you doing it over some ‘hide my identity’ forum, but, more importantly, realize that this is not something to get upset about.
Think about people without food and water. Truly think about what that would be like. Walk a day in the life of a person not so fortunate as yourself, and I’m sure we’d see either more positive comments or at the very least, constructive criticism. I even saw one post where someone called a guy a moron?!?!?
I apologize for preaching, but for those of you who use forums such as these as an outlet for your issues, too bad.
I’ve been in the industry for years and years and years…..the people who are ‘the real deal’ either don’t read these forums because they are either too busy WORKING, or they don’t comment, or if they do, it’s to point out something interesting about the content without some angy, negative undertone.
Personally, I enjoyed the article simply because I am a Pro Tools user. It’s got me curious as to the direction Digi Design will go in. Also, Apple & Steve Jobs, like ‘em or not, have a huge, if not the hugest impact, on so many aspects of our multimedia driven lives.
Before you knock em – ask yourself…..”what have I done with my life that is one, one millionth compared to what Apple has done.
Perspective ~ It really does determine your reality.
‘Scuze me for my ignorance, but can anybody tell me whether my 32 bit apps will still operate under the 64 bit arcitecture?